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Just a couple of my thoughts:

my Utopia-team plays in League IV. I don't really want to be competitive just now (or ever). Training is my main focus. Since it's Utopia, we don't have any bots in the league.

Our salary floor is at approximately 50k. I pay around 70k for my players and have tried to stay as close to the salary floor as possible. But since I've been training a couple of players, I was bound to have a higher salary than the salary floor at some point. If I remember correctly, we've got only around 3-4 teams that have higher salaries on their rosters. I make around 90-100k a week (without even trying).

My point is: the salary floor is definitely too low, also in the divs. 3-5. I have accumulated over 2.5 Mio without trying (and not counting the 800k+ I spend for a lvl. 5 coach) or the trainees that I acquired.

I'm not tanking intentionally but I don't really know what else I should spend the money on. My arena is developed pretty well. So I'm hoarding the money in order to be able to buy new coaches, maybe later on some new trainees. Or be able to keep my trainees on the team even if they get expensive later on.

If the salary floor was raised by 30-40k, my strategy would not change. I'd probably buy a decent 20k PG and would be a little bit more competitive even though I'd continue my training.

So I don't see your point, banana, why a raise of the salary floor would be bad in the lower divisions? I've got the feeling that it's just your strategy (or your spending quite a lot of money on your staff) that you want to continue without any new obstacles. But if the salary floor was raised, you'd just get a lvl 4 (or even 5) coach, those are still good enough to develop a franchise player for your team (Superstar+ potentional). And a lvl. 4 doc is not cheap but also not something that should cost 50k salary ...

I guess you'd adjust, your whole league would be more competitive and you could still train your draftees for your team (and maybe even make MORE money than before ...)

If you add staff to the floor, it discourages training as it means less available salary for a competitive teams roster.

Both of the things you're saying here are simply untrue. Adding staff to the floor does not discourage training since teams below the salary floor can save money on expensive staff salaries. Also, you do realize that there is no situation where, if staff were part of the salary floor, teams would be making less than they currently do; so how does this equate to "less available salary for a competitive teams roster."

The salary floor is good because as you say we don't want to reward teams for " intentionally being uncompetitive." But raising it too high (ie making it as high as a competitive playoff team's salary) will mean lower seeded teams make less money than higher seeded teams. If this were the case, it would be tough for teams to ever catch those above them. We don't want to reward tankers, but we don't want to take it to the other extreme where the best teams in a division always make the most money.

Last edited by banana64 at 2/11/2016 6:20:26 PM

You got me there. The frustration of failing to help you see common sense must have got me confused...

The reality of your situation is that you overspend on staff and think raising the salary floor would negatively impact your chance to develop. Rather than look at the fact that you could do things better, you think you need more than everyone before you who got to where they are by doing things the smart way.

You spend more than the floor on staff, so you still wouldn't be catching up as efficiently as you could by playing to your situation. If you did have more money to spend, you would just have more to waste thinking that the most expensive trainer your salary can afford is your best option. All that does is limit your finances.

Increasing the salary floor would (again) affect everyone equally. The result would be decreasing the amount of money teams can accumulate and overspend with less impact when purchasing staff and players. Teams like yourself who ineffectely spend their profit would be forced to learn how to adapt and become more efficient with your income. Keeping lower divisions exempt from an increased floor will only give teams in higher divisions more reason to demote.

You got me there. The frustration of failing to help you see common sense must have got me confused...

Why do you say things like that when you keep repeating this.

Increasing the salary floor would (again) affect everyone equally.

I have explained my reasoning why this is untrue and why teams who make less money would be more affected. I'd appreciate it if you addressed my response instead of completely ignoring it and simply repeating the same thing over and over again.

I'll explain it again, for teams with comparable salaries (ie at the salary floor), raising the salary floor would have the greatest effect on the teams which make the least money. Saying that all teams would be affected equally is like saying governments should implement a flat income tax of $20k because it will affect everyone equally. Taking from everyone equally does not mean everyone is affected equally.

I have explained my reasoning why this is untrue and why teams who make less money would be more affected. I'd appreciate it if you addressed my response instead of completely ignoring it and simply repeating the same thing over and over again. 

Sigh...

I haven't ignored your responses. I'm repeating myselp because you are ignoring the facts in my responses.

I'll explain it again, for teams with comparable salaries (ie at the salary floor), raising the salary floor would have the greatest effect on the teams which make the least money.

If you are spending the floor, you should make at least, if not more than, the weekly income than everyone else in your league. You spend about 3 times more than you should on staff and salaries. This is why you make the least amount of money...

Saying that all teams would be affected equally is like saying governments should implement a flat income tax of $20k because it will affect everyone equally.

Higher divisions pay a higher percentage of their tv revenue as their salary floor. Its explained in the game manual. If you think that lower divisions pay the exact same dollar value as the top divisions, you don't understand a thing about the subject that you are trying to argue.

Last edited by Perriwinkle Blue at 2/11/2016 8:29:19 PM

If you are spending the floor, you should make at least, if not more than, the weekly income than everyone else in your league.

Yes, this is true and it is also a good thing for the game. If teams at the floor weren't able to make more money than everyone else in the league, then they would have a very difficult time catching up to those teams above them unless they already had a lot of money saved up.

Higher divisions pay a higher percentage of their tv revenue as their salary floor. Its explained in the game manual. If you think that lower divisions pay the exact same dollar value as the top divisions, you don't understand a thing about the subject that you are trying to argue.

All my arguments and posts about salary floor having a greater impact on teams who make less money are based on teams in the same league. Sorry, maybe I should have made myself more clear.

All my arguments and posts about salary floor having a greater impact on teams who make less money are based on teams in the same league.

Don't waste your money and you won't be impacted.

Well, the reason I have a high level trainer is that I want to develop my players so that they can be the cornerstones at my team in all divisions. I don't want to spend many seasons training players only to have to sell them in div 2 because they aren't good enough any more. Yes, you can say its not a very money efficient strategy, but I'm fine with playing the long-term game.

and you have a lvl 7 trainer? As I stated above, you would be able to build players to be "the cornerstones of your team" with a lvl 5 coach. You'd probably just have to cut the salary now, save up a bit of money and get a lvl 5 coach with a salary around 20k. You could keep him for about 3-4 seasons and still have less to pay than you do now for the staff...

I agree with this proposal. There, now I said it, so it's doomed to fail. :`(

I think Perriwinkle definitely wins the most patient BB manager of the season.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/12/2016 4:53:38 PM