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98874.35 in reply to 98874.34
Date: 6/29/2009 1:57:08 PM
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Given that players foul like crazy when facing lucky fans (which are presumably worse than the worst players in BB), I wonder whether there is something to this observation


A possible explanation for that goes something like this (using my theory):

-lucky fans have the absolute worst physicality rating you could possibly have.
-lucky fans hardly ever make their shots
-opposition vs lucky fan almost always makes their shot

So lucky fans are drawing a lot of fouls because the chance to draw a foul on a missed shot is much higher.

In any case, it makes you start to wonder if good defense has any affect at all on fouls.

Run of the Mill Canadian Manager
From: Mannen

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98874.37 in reply to 98874.27
Date: 6/29/2009 3:52:26 PM
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The what you say is true about the NT-games you posted. I took a look on you first division teams last cup games. Most of them winning by a nice margin and partialy because of nice defens (stallions excluded since not winning by big numbers).

In the games below the defensivly superior team commited less fouls.
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In the games below there was quite even foul distribution (one or the other team commiting up to 2 fouls more or less then the other team)
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In zero games did the defensivly superior team commit 3 fouls more then the other team.

I went through the matches quite quick so i might have missed something. But i think there seems to be just as easy to find games that sugests that good defenders foul less...

/Mannen
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Date: 6/29/2009 3:53:01 PM
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Yes you're right. Thanks for the basketball lesson. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gex2CpfWkwg is a four point play I remember well, as I'm a pacers fan..
Hmm , have I hijacked the thread?

From: CrazyEye

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98874.39 in reply to 98874.37
Date: 6/30/2009 1:40:06 AM
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thx for this input, maybe it is time for a real evaluation ;) Not a biased unregulary check with expectations.

I willl still stay with the NT games for it, because there rooster are more balanced in this game above there was a minute killer and weak trainees in it - and most specially those games are harder to find then the ones from the NT.

Maybe i make this as a official thread in the global, that you could follow up or i first my expression after 3-4 games where i got a usefull sample. What should i do?

Edit i would take differences with the effort in the calculation, any faactors where i should seperate the data?

Last edited by CrazyEye at 6/30/2009 1:44:25 AM

From: Mannen

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Date: 6/30/2009 2:08:46 AM
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I´m looking forward to see the result of this evaluation. Keeping it in a global thread adds transparancy that at least i prefere.

I´m thinking if there could be a difference between where the largest margin are, outside/inside?

I also wonder if some NT players have bad stamina since they have been pushing training in other areas, and if so this could result in more fouls?

I think we have to give it a thought what differences that could be found between NT and regular teams, if the evaluation is based on just NT games.

Another thought on NT-players. I remember that the guy that used to be the number one salaryeater 2 seasons ago had a lot of atrocious skills. If the centers have 1 in OD and guards 1 in ID, that could be where the other team go for execution and thats where the fouls happens!?

Last edited by Mannen at 6/30/2009 2:23:59 AM

/Mannen
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Date: 6/30/2009 3:07:15 AM
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Sorry to bring up an older point but I have noticed that if the description says a player backs off there is more chance of a foul. It always makes me grimmace if a player isn't in his face cos he seems to have more chance of a foul. You can imagine what my face looked like thoughout that whole game. Lol.

Just what happens with my team

From: Kivan

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Date: 6/30/2009 7:17:01 AM
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well... maybe the other player manages to open himself when your player moves back a bit and goes up for a jump shot and your defending player realizing that he left him an open shot tries to remedy it and block or distract him somehow and closes in on him in a bit of a panic, or clumsily or just mistimes it and thus creates a foul... as opposed to when he's right in his face and better positioned and feels confident the player will miss the shot and doesn't try that desperate last second distraction and thus doesn't provoke a foul...

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98874.43 in reply to 98874.42
Date: 7/1/2009 12:05:49 AM
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The foul system is absolutely atrocious in this game. Many people complain about it and the BBs just don't seem to care. It's a shame really, because it is the only real flaw in this game. Instead of basing fouls on offense vs defense, they base it on some invisible stat that is untrainable. It's quite funny to be honest.

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Date: 7/1/2009 6:47:49 AM
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Don't ask Coach Bob how funny it is .... I've seen one of his games where (from memory) he had 4 players foul out and 2 more on the verge. I think his record for 1 game is 45 fouls!!!!!!!!

From: CrazyEye

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98874.45 in reply to 98874.40
Date: 7/1/2009 11:47:36 AM
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i started to collect data in the global (99675.1)

Still without club teams, because i don't want side effect from team unbalanced teams, and minute killers. The engine should be the same, so the fouling should work on a similiar way.

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