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But it will be unfair for 87 countries in BB. We have 98 countries in BB and 11 of them had HCA in WC (I counted NT-A and NT-U21). If we remove HCA than all other countries should be disappointed. Because they should expect HCA in future and in this way they will never have chance.
As I said before - my opinion is that HCA shouldn't exist in WC. But now, after last WC, it will be unfair for others. So I accept HCA for other countries in future.
I don't want to hear opinions: "Look, Poland won in past only because they had HCA, but now HCA is removed and we don't have chance to easier way".
And I repeat next thing. HCA isn't so huge advantage as You think. I think HCA is circa about 25% of difference between normal vs TIE (or CT vs normal).

Most of those countries will never make the worlds!

Solution: Bahamas every Worlds gets HCA no one gets advantage.

Every season we have 8 teams in WC qualified directly and 16 in repasages. So it's 24 countries interested to have HCA. Even if it will be always the same 24 (and we know it's impossible), then still 13 of them never had HCA and should be disappointed.
We have 37 countries with more users than Chile or Switzerland (these countries won medal in WC, even more than once). So these 37 countries have chance too, without HCA. With HCA this number increases.
And next thing. Few of smaller counries play in Africa or Asia. And for example in Africa we have 8 countries and 2 of them play in WC directly and next 4 in repasages. And they want to have HCA too. Look at Nigeria, they finished 5th in one of previous WC.
I think at least 60 countries should be interested to have HCA in future.

Last edited by B.B.King at 7/27/2011 4:29:06 PM

You really got me with [thisisajoke][thiswasajoke] thing. :)

I know it is a coin flip and you won't catch me again.

And I repeat next thing. HCA isn't so huge advantage as You think

So let me ask you this since you seem to be saying this repeatedly. Would you have TIE'd every game in the WC if you did not have HCA?

i know what you mean. But that goes for everything.

For example: for some weird reason, in Season 14 Italy hadn't made the worlds cup. They went in consolation tourney, and ofcourse, they won it. Italy, allong with France, Spain and Poland, are the european top nations. Yet Italy had HCA during the european campaign and they slaughtered everyone too (all other teams knew that they were going for the silver in the european champ in season 15)

If you going to argue about the world cup, then you might as well argue about the nation preliminaries and the nations championships aswell.

It was only the second time that Poland got to the World Cups...

Poland has greatly improved over the past few seasons. The current system gives HCA to a nation that has never hosted the WC before. It was Polands second participation. The system tries to chose a fair way to determine who gets HCA, and up till now, it always was pretty fair. The system can't forsee such a major improvement that the Polish Nt made over the past few seasons.

So as far as i'm concerned, their is nothing wrong with the current system during the groupfases.

I'd only like to ask that HCA would be removed when it comes to the semi finale stage of all tournaments. Cause their, if the host is still taking part in the game, then it will become a considerable advantage.

As it stands now, for the worlds, HCA goes to a team (who's possibly in the repechage) that rarely makes the worlds, so it gives the weaker teams a chance to make it to the worlds...

So as it stands now, the system is fine. It just needs to be tweaked so that HCA in semi's and finale stages of the NT competition gets taken away.

Revo

Last edited by AthrunZala at 7/31/2011 8:23:45 AM

If i don't remember wrong, when China hosted the WC, they were the top1 in the NT rankings.

If there is HCA during all the tournament, i don't see any reason to remove it on SF or F...

The best NT's can lose with HCA.

I didn't play TIE in every game...
I think more interesting question is which effort will be used by other teams if Poland had no HCA...
I'm sure few other teams had chance to win with Poland but they didn't take risk. Meanwhile Chile used more effort and more risk and therefore they went to final. As I said NT Manager of Chile made correct calculation and he chose better strategy. Few other managers made few mistakes.
Without HCA probably we would play for bronze and it would be our strategy. My choices would be little different (and of course everything would depend on previous results). And if we would go to semi, then we would try to win next match, maybe two. And we should have some chance, it's game. But if we wouldn't finish in top-4 I would send congratulations for all medalists (in fact I did it anyway) and I would try to work harder and harder to build stronger NT for future.
Chile in group match in WC and Spain in European Championships (twice!) proved, that HCA isn't invincible. And I saw few other epic fails by teams with HCA (for example Russia in last EC U21). HCA is only one of factors, and it isn't the most important.
In WC in 6th season, with HCA USA finished with bronze medal. In next WC (season 8) without HCA USA finished... 3rd too ;-) So we can see that without HCA the same result is possible as with HCA ;-)

If i don't remember wrong, when China hosted the WC, they were the top1 in the NT rankings.

If there is HCA during all the tournament, i don't see any reason to remove it on SF or F...

The best NT's can lose with HCA.

For the best NT, to lose on their HCA, their shape has to be alot worse than their opponent...

we're talking about 2 teams with the same ammount of Enthousiasme. If the best team then has HCA, it's a 99% certainty that they'll win the game (the 1% being when the lesser team has a much better gameshape, but how often does that happen?)

I didn't play TIE in every game...
I think more interesting question is which effort will be used by other teams if Poland had no HCA...
I'm sure few other teams had chance to win with Poland but they didn't take risk. Meanwhile Chile used more effort and more risk and therefore they went to final. As I said NT Manager of Chile made correct calculation and he chose better strategy. Few other managers made few mistakes.
Without HCA probably we would play for bronze and it would be our strategy. My choices would be little different (and of course everything would depend on previous results). And if we would go to semi, then we would try to win next match, maybe two. And we should have some chance, it's game. But if we wouldn't finish in top-4 I would send congratulations for all medalists (in fact I did it anyway) and I would try to work harder and harder to build stronger NT for future.
Chile in group match in WC and Spain in European Championships (twice!) proved, that HCA isn't invincible. And I saw few other epic fails by teams with HCA (for example Russia in last EC U21). HCA is only one of factors, and it isn't the most important.
In WC in 6th season, with HCA USA finished with bronze medal. In next WC (season 8) without HCA USA finished... 3rd too ;-) So we can see that without HCA the same result is possible as with HCA ;-)

The Polish NT got lucky with the HCA. But that doesn't take away that Poland deserved the title. The efforts put into their players, the fact that their top players kept on improving. If you can accomplish that as a nation, then you deserve to be rewarded. Nothing more nothing less.

You did a good job coaching the Polish NT. The hard part comes now: you'll need to defend that title and prove it was no fluke ( i don't believe it to be a fluke, but some claim that you got that far only because of the HCA, which i find a little exagerated).

as i said before: remove the HCA for Semi finales and Finales, but keep all the rest as it is. That way, the strongest nations in the semi-finals and finales will win it, and nobody will be able to argue about it.

LA-Revo