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Hey, I never seen a guard like Rondo do well in this game in the high divisions. I can't see a 6 JS and 14 PAS guy playing well but that's just me.

That team wins games based on their strong OD (like I said somewhere on the forums, OD is overrated).

so what now, is a defensiv SF who could pass a bit useless or is defence overated?

With a SF who could pass you could play every offense, his teammates will carry a bit more load and shoot a bit worse because he will not use the open shots - but in the end it is much worse then a player who hurt then on defense. And for an SF who need all those skills, always have some weaknesses but i would care always first that he can defend. Then pass, and then his offensive Qualities.


Last edited by CrazyEye at 8/12/2011 12:58:43 PM

OD is overrated.. And OD can prevent shots, so doesn't that make JS even more useless? Might as well train high passing and get the ball to the inside players rather than shoot and miss...

Od also prevents passing and makes the player with the powerful average on jumpshot shoot.

@GM-CrazyEye

Are you saying that a defensive SF for you has to have 6 jumpshot so he doesn't score ANY baskets?
The way the game works, you can't have a player that just passes the ball, he will take some shots indepently of the offense you run and he will miss them all. Of course he will have a reasonable number of assists but in the offense he will hurt you a lot. Even when playing against those SG's at SF, who have good OD, he won't be able to pass the ball inside and will just shoot bricks and you will most likely lose the game.

Last edited by pmfg10 at 8/12/2011 1:08:46 PM

you could look at the guard from the linked team they hit some shot, and have 2 or 3 JS/JR as guards ;) This value rises over the year with Bogen, but yes they take few shots, and they don't shot good but they helped the team to be succesful and make also their opponents miss. Most of the shot he woul dtake would be also the shots with clock running down, also your other option won't hit that much.

An SF like that(properly with additional rebound), i like much more then the guard like SF if they don't look like my Pointguard.

If they have 2 or 3 of JS is very unlikely that they scored from the outside. They could've drived and maybe finish at the rim, but with 3 JS against a minimum 15 OD guy, he would have to shot a LOT to score 1 basket.
In the PL game, he played against a 2-3 zone and couldn't make a 3 point shot, his guards weren't so great shooting either.

I would never have a SF with 6 JS just because he could play defense and have some passing.

double post my bad.

Last edited by pmfg10 at 8/12/2011 1:46:45 PM

I think this has been a pretty good discussion so far.

I hadn't really considered the fact that the low JS/JR would cause good chances to go to waste and basically automatic misses when he can't find a good pass as the shot clock expires. Hopefully, the high inside shot and driving will allow him to counteract this effect.

I really became interested in a player like this when I saw how successful USA Elite or whatever his name was that has recently promoted to DII in USA. I prefer a balanced attack, but some outliers are good for making specific attacks more powerful. PG is a position where I feel there wouldn't be much ID from opponents and I could possibly outmaneouvre practically any high salaried OD beasts with only an allstar potential player.

I was considering a SF in this mold, but I feel he would not be as valuable because you could basically put a stretch 4 on him and defeat him. He would pass well, but couldn't really generate points.

OK I thought of how I want to train him. The inside shot may take a long time but I will train my 18 y/o Center and 6'8 19/ y/o small Forward both of which have better skills then their salaries tell.
Outside D: 15(+8)
Handling:12(+6)
Driving:10(+3)
Passing:14(+8)
Inside shot:10(+7)
Inside D:10(+3)
If Crossing training and elastic effect does not effect train training much.What would the salary look like and is this possible? It's 31 pops, 2 less pops than the 15/15/15/15 od/id/pas/reb idea.

Show me a div V or IV team with 15 OD and I'll say this player is crap and shouldn't be trained. He's not in div II dude. He might have gotten better players by the time he reaches your level and face 15 OD, unless he meets a big team in the cup.

Did I EVER said something about the playeR?