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That's complete nonsense.

not what he wrote. Gameratings are afaik not changed with the new engine, and game ratings don't reflect many aspect of the game. For example you can get an medium outside defence rating with one or two superior defenders and one player who can not defence with man to man defence. But if this player is lineup against an ok shooter, your outside defence rating isn't worth that much.
Also ratings didn't include passing from the big guys, which isn't unimportant and a lot of other sideskills too.
A defence like a Full Court Press, totally destroys the ratings but a team playing this is much better then a man to man team with the same ratings.

And so on...

Ratings are ok to scout an opponent in advance, but to look if an outcome of a game is fair or surprising i never use it matchuprating and shot distribution have much more meanings but are nearly impossible to interpret without knowing at least the skills from one side

Where did you get this information from? Why would you seriously spread conjecture as gospel? Is it confirmed from a BB that the game ratings are outdated?

By the way passing is definitely included in the offensive flow of certain offenses.
As far as the defenses goes, sure it isn't meant to give you each defender's individual defensive stats, rather the team defense as a whole.

Last edited by Bigcatjc at 8/21/2011 5:42:03 PM

i played before and after the new engine, and noticed not an difference in the rating but in the gameplay. And i am quite sure there was threads for new rating also with bb participation.

And yes also before they wasn't perfect, they are a hint but not the real calculation.

By the way passing is definitely included in the offensive flow of certain offenses.

even in all but not with the c, at least not with Josef tool which calculates the ratings quite well. And afaik he tested a while with "all atrocious" player to get more informations the single skill impact of different positions.
if they have an impact, i would say it is smaller then in the game.

As far as the defenses goes, sure it isn't meant to give you each defender's individual defensive stats, rather the team defense as a whole.

but when you have a mediocore(high) defense whic works and one which wasn't, then the team defense of the working one is better ;) At least in m eyes. And the rating lacks in many places like that, which alone let them only tell the half story.

From Game Manual:

Offensive Flow (how well the offense produces assists, avoids turnovers): point guard weighted very heavily, shooting guard weighted medium, small forward weighted medium.

So if I play R&G with three outside shooters who have bad passing and good HA and two inside players who have great passing and rebounding, I have low OF, right? But will win a lot anyway because what my outside players miss, my two inside guys will try to get as an offensive rebound and than pass them the ball to try again.

So let's say you look at such a team, say "I will play FCP because he has bad offensive flow" and then you get destroyed. And you think to yourself "wow, those match ratings suck".

Yeah, I try not to look at them too much, because they can really distort a picture of a team.

No you probably won't win a lot to be honest. Unless you are go against other bad teams.

And no FCP is a terrible defense and I'd never play it regardless.

Passing is included in Josef's tool in the Look Inside offense. PF's passing is in a lot more.

I like to out-rebound my opponent when I play RNG. The FG% will be low, so some + in the OR is welcomed. But in general, JS/JR/ST are the skills I look first.

If i was to set up a great 5 to play RnG, here´s what it would look like:

PG: In every PG, no matter tactics, I prefer HA,DV and PA atleast 15, this helps Offensive flow. In RnG he needs plentiful JS and JR too. Don´t care much for the rest except stamina(same for all players) who needs to be high (7+). Then as much OD as you can afford, preferbaly around 16. If I need to lower some skills, due to economy, I would choose JR and JS.

SG: JS16+, JR14+, DV17+, HA15+, PA12+. I guess IS(5+ minimun perhaps) is good to have, but not too important in a RnG. FT is also good to have atleast 8+, since this player probably will be fouled alot (taking many shots, high DV). OD as high as you can afford.

SF: My SF of choice would have high OD and ID, around 12+, maybe more on OD(15+, since "everyone" uses a SG on SF-position). High JS (16+) and JR(12+), DV15+, HA13+, PA11+. Then a very important skill in my opinion för a RnG-SF, RB12+. Probably the best player on the team and most expensive to purchase/train. You probably need to lower a few skills but this is "dreamplayer" in my lineup. IS not so important, perhaps 5+ is ok!?

I don´t know how important JS and JR are for the bigmen in RnG, but I´m guessing that they could take advantage of other bigmen with low/non-existing OD and pop mid-range shots with ease... problem is that bigmen don´t get that many attempts per game, regardless of opposition. So I rank the defensive skills higher in my bigmen then JS/JR. But if I have the money I wouldn´t turn down a PF with high JS/JR and a C with high PA. Also I believe they use a lot of their IS when shooting, since they probably are quite near the basket anyway.

PF: High rebounding 15+, As high defensive skills as you can afford, JS12+, JR7+. IS 15+.
C: Very high rebounding. 16+, As high defensive skills as you can afford. Would not "waste" money on JS/JR but maybe on passing. IS 14+.
Minimun requirements for my bigmen would be 7 in HA/DV/PA.

I would like to win rebounding, giving me more possesions.
I would like to have good IS-threat so they don´t use a 3-2-zone without being punished.

This is a rough sketch, not a standard A1-formula so to speak.

Excelent answer thanks
Preatty much the setup i was thinking of myself with a few new ideeas.
Going to need some time to get this to work but i'm getting closer.
Thanks again