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imagine this guy has the right height for a guard trainee. this guy wont sell for more than 200k-250k. I have seen these players many times on the TL that have the right height, also for big trainees.

Frank Lyons (24034577)
Starting Price: $ 90 000
Auction ends: 14/02/2012 22:15:08
Owner: Kojot Team


Weekly salary: $ 4 242
Age: 18
Height: 6'9" / 206 cm
Potential: superstar
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: average Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: inept
Driving: mediocre Passing: inept
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: awful
Rebounding: awful Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: atrocious

Experience: atrocious

ps i even think with the wrong height this guy is better trainable than the other guy, whom i believe isnt trainable. respectable IS for a start on a guard is not bad, and it is at some point trainable to a high level.

Last edited by Astragoth at 2/12/2012 6:11:50 PM

show me one that has higher skills than mediocre (level 5) and that goes for 400k and i will shut up forever.

(9256889) started at 1 IS. Now a PF on Canadas NT.

ok, i am out off this discussion for good. we are talking about what makes sense to train and what doesnt make sense. we arent talking about the one or two exceptions on this rule and whether it is possible to train a guy with 1 IS up to NT level. EVERYTHING!!!!! is possible, is it feasible NO!!!!

good luck with training players like the first one.

^^^what astra replied to me.

Sorry accidentally deleted your message astra. Stupid touch screen phones.

i am not talking in this discussion about NT players not even U21 players and not even top league players. I believe that the first player isnt worth it to train, not even for a small team. Guess some people would train him or think it is the right thing to do and train this kind off player. I cant say anything else, than that I believe it is a mistake. What people do after that is their own decision.

My post was about tall 18 yr old PFs with Superstar potential. It would be different for a different set of criteria. You are totally missing the point.
Your advice as U 21 manager has to take in starting age, skills, height and potential if you are going to recruit more trainers producing NT prospects.

Generally speaking, mediocre or better JR, OD and Passing on a PF trainee is a Good Thing.
On a Centre, for instance, it is a bad thing to have any JR as it means your player caps earlier than he would otherwise.

I think it's worth me stating here, that I am 100% behind the U21 management team. But, you can always improve.

Don't worry, we are always looking to improve:) And discussion is also always good, even if sometimes not everyone agrees it still makes us stop and think:)

I like smileys :)

This was the guy i posted before (in case anyone didnt realise)

why wouldnt he make a good PF trainee, especially for a div iii team?
JR and OD start high and these train slowest. Other guard skills are fine (normally youd see at least one atrocious in my experience). SB is low, which is fine especially for PF where it is less important (compared to C) - but you just neeed to make up work on the big skills. But this is fine because no trainee (affordable) is perfect and at his height the big skills should advance at a decent pace.

i understand from the NT's point of view they would be looking at an MVP trained to potential rather than superstar or lower, i would say that i would be very happy with this guy.

Another thing. I have a PF/C perennial AS who has outside skills that probably arent quite as good as this guys but is been trained to potential on his inside skills. He is doing very well for me in division II even against guys with higher salaries. i would also be tempted to keep him as a bench player in the EBL, should i ever make it, (but i havent planned that far ahead!)