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I'm trying to answer everything on this forum as best as I can. Sometimes, I miss things. I guess I'm not infallible

I'm aware of the seriousness of the boxscore problem. Also, I know the extent of the problem. I could spend months on it and have no progress. At the same time, we have bugs to take care of, features to develop... What do you want me to say? I'm getting tired of repeating the same words over and over again.

Reducing the number of leagues is not a possibility at this time. It would take a lot of preparation and the consequences might be very hard to predict. Also, the benefits might be very small, because we already prioritize calculations of human managed teams over bots.

but would it be possible during the change from Season 22 to 23? Even though calculations might priorized, they still have to be done eventually.

look at the German case, the one I happen to know best: here we have roundabout 1k players, tendency is falling just like in most countries but not very hard actually.

The players fill the first three divisions, and some of the fourth, in which some are lively leagues, some are almost mere bot leagues.

Why not remove the 6th (not even the fifth!) division? They make up for about half of the calculating power needed in germany, if I understand things right. And their positive effect on the game is practically zero (one might throw in their particpation of the cup, but thats absolutely it)

I am pretty sure things look not different in a lot of major markets. So denying that the reduction of bot league "layer" from two to one wouldn#t have effect on the Sites performance is honestly beyond me.

Yes, bot games are handled differently, this is why I asked. You said there are less cup games to calculate and it is wrong, in a 1st round, there are more games involving an active team than on a league game day. What is different between the cup and the league is all the calculation done for the individual and collective stats and such. This is what must be delaying the boxscores.
So it is not the number of games and it's probably not the games calculations itself either that causes these delays.

I believe it is a huge mistake to let it remain as it is for years, it's really essential for the good working and the development of the game, I explained why i think this before.

Thank you Marin.

I know it may not solve the problem and I know it may even cause more trouble, but wouldn´t decentralizing the kickoff dates help?

Like:

In every country, the divisons 1-3 start at p.e. 7 p.m. (like it is in germany atm), while division 4 and 5 start at 9 p.m, division 6?

Or maybe even ...

Dvision 1-3 start at 7 pm, division 4&5 start at 4 pm, division 6 start at 10 pm?

The load could be split up so that it´s not happening all at once.

Or bot leagues play on wednesdays and sundays...

Last edited by Northern Warlord at 11/6/2012 10:02:26 AM

Well, 5th and 6th divs in most european countries are empty or at least not overly crowded that´s where I´m coming from. That excludes Poland, Italy and Spain I assume, and maybe Turkey sooner or later. I see your point about the chat though. And yeah, given that it´s a worldwide game there are probably not too many free slots to balance the load.

In Germany, the percentage of users in the chat from higher leagues is better than in the lower leagues - so I´d assume that the chat issues -might- sort itself out to some degree. Maybe it would even be an incentive to get to the higher leagues because the fun increases (and ... we might assume that plenty of the new teams starting in lower leagues might be rather young users. games at 3 pm might actually fit their real life schedule and enable them to enter the chat while 9 pm might be too late for them).

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 11/6/2012 7:58:56 PM

Thanks everyone for your valid points. We have already considered them all, though. I cannot really tell you where we're going to go with this because it's not decided yet, but whatever we do, I'm afraid it's going to take some time to implement.

Delay, in this moment 3 hours.....

i think we agree that the performace for all human matches is fine based on the fact the cup and scrimmages are availalbe pretty fast.
-> the processings for the matches is ok and optimized

so i assume the delays for league matches are caused by the calculations for many leagues with bots only. you said they have lower priority, but still they need to be calculated.

deleting/deactivating the bot leagues would need time and might have other disadvantages. -> no short term option as you said

i don't know which calculations (match calculation, box score calculation, league table update and so on) take the most time/ressources.
maybe it's possible to add a flag "bot only league attribute" to the league and skip some calcualtions in this leagues.
e.g. in bot only leagues every match ends 25-0.
noone needs updated tables in bot only leagues. maybe skip these calculations as long as possible or to "free" time slots in the weekly schedule.

adding a new column to a table and some if conditions might be possible as short/midterm change, but for sure you know your system better then me ;)