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well many of the top managers in a country are doing significant work in scouting for the NT. should they also be disqualified by your logic?

by the way. setting a scrimmage lineup in the B3 finals should be a strong argument against being the greatest manager of al time (GMOAT) ;)

I agree. rwystyrk Should be in the top 5 of all time just because of his accomplishments. So what if he might've took advantage of being the NT manager the bottom line is that he finds ways to win. Phil Jackson never coached a team without a superstar on it but his still considered one of the greatest coaches never because he won contantly. Nobody judges you on how you win. You just gotta find away to win the best way you can. Take advantage of everything you can.

I agree. rwystyrk Should be in the top 5 of all time just because of his accomplishments. So what if he might've took advantage of being the NT manager the bottom line is that he finds ways to win. Phil Jackson never coached a team without a superstar on it but his still considered one of the greatest coaches never because he won contantly.

Phil Jackson would be worth nothing in this game, since all he'd do is setting the minutes for your players. If you don't understand the advantages a NT manager has compared to the other 15 D1 managers in his nation and even B3 competitors who are not NT managers then I won't go any further.

It would be interesting to know what Kozlik, Darkonza and the manager of Superligota think about a competitor for the title being the NT manager (although he just started).

Nobody judges you on how you win. You just gotta find away to win the best way you can. Take advantage of everything you can.

Ok then, let's count major trophies, giving a score for B3 (say 5 points), National League (3 pts), National Cup (1 pt), World Cup win (3 pts), European Title win (2 pts, Europe has way more managers and nations than other continents), Other continental titles (1 pt).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/3/2014 11:12:47 AM

I'd like someone to explain why managing the NT and winning D1 titles is not easier than just manage a top division team. I've already argued that people should be removed (not added) points in the discussion for best manager if they were managing the NT when they won D1 or B3 titles, as managing the NT does give a substantial advantages compared to the rest of the field.

Wait, what? I don't see the correlation. What are you suggesting, that NT managers just put their own guys on the team? And they purposely screw other D1 members out of merchandise money? Cause I can see how that would give a small benefit, but I also don't see how that manager lasts for more than 2 seasons. And I can't see how that argument affects any NT manager that won world's gold. Rwystyrk should be penalized for winning a D1 title because he also won a worlds gold as a NT manager?

If you don't understand the advantages a NT manager has compared to the other 15 D1 managers in his nation and even B3 competitors who are not NT managers then I won't go any further.

Yeah, if you could just outline some of these, that'd be great. I'm having trouble gaining an advantage on my D1 opponents, so I'd appreciate any help I can get.

If you don't understand the advantages a NT manager has compared to the other 15 D1 managers in his nation and even B3 competitors who are not NT managers then I won't go any further.

Yeah, if you could just outline some of these, that'd be great. I'm having trouble gaining an advantage on my D1 opponents, so I'd appreciate any help I can get.

A) All things being equal (i.e. if the skills are similar or not substantially different) the manager can field a player rather than another (even among the ones selected for the roster). I'm really intrigued of the chaos which will follow the removal of blanks/LCD at the NT level to see the full extent of this problem. At any rate the merch income from NT players is vital everywhere in order to compete for titles, as you can afford more expensive rosters.
B) The NT manager (and some of the assistants) has access to the skills of all the major players in his Nation (which means he knows the skills of some of the key players his direct opponents own)
C) The NT manager is able to know in advance if players are going to be put on the TL (at worst they will know as soon as they are on the TL, in case they are doing a very poor job and they have no idea of what is going on with their players). This allows them to 'prepare' for the upcoming auctions

Now if you please, if you have any rational reason why a NT manager does not have an advantage vs other top managers in their countries (if they are all competing for the title), please do fire away.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/3/2014 12:36:20 PM

Rwystyrk should be penalized for winning a D1 title because he also won a worlds gold as a NT manager?

No, the gold is obviously a great achievement, but for the D1 titles it should be considered that he managed the NT for over 10 seasons and that gave him a significant advantage. Unless someone can confirm he didn't have nor bought any NT prospect/player during his tenure.

NT managers have direct access to all types of elite builds and get a better understanding of how the ME works with each of those builds applied to different tactics.
It's definitely an advantage at club level.
Long term NT managers have the above, plus builds built to their requirements and experiments. Rwstwyk is actually the best example of this. I don't think he is one of the greatest club managers, but he's one of BBs great experimenters.

Last edited by Elmacca at 11/3/2014 12:51:39 PM

That's actually a great idea with the points system.

Let's get a top ten using your points system then we argue to move someone up one the list, down on the list, or moved on to the list.