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Not really sure why are you failing to understand the tone when you stated "You are obviously trying to say that it feels unrealistic". Seems that you understand where I was coming from perfectly well.

So, since you made a case...I'll give my 2 cents :-) I have thought your strategy is lame since I learned about you doing it last season before I was in this league. I don't like it. I personally believe it's unrealistic, as previously stated, it throws off the Stats, season records, and team ratings. I don't think it's in line with the spirit of a Basketball Simulation Game.

Aside from snide comments to a couple of my BB friends about your strategy, I haven't said anything publicly, because it is what it is. However, after Tough's awesome write up and rankings...I blurted out to myself "How can this "team" be ranked #2, when they aren't a team, but a rotating cycle of players each week". When that thought came to mind, I couldn't help but make a comment, more to be funny than anything else.

You are correct about the rules. And please note, I never said you are cheating, or breaking the rules. I just think it's a weak strategy, and I don't like it. You are free to run your team however you see fit as long as it's with the rules. Just like its your prerogative to run your team how you want, it's mine to point out the absurdity of it. I think its interesting you go against the grain like you do, and then get a little upset and defensive when called out on it. You do you :-) It's okay!

That said, another reason I don't like it, is because in truth, there are some ways you are being rewarded for this strategy. And sometimes your rewards are at the expense of others. Like it was previously said, someone had the bad luck of not only facing you in week 1, but it was also a TV game...So, your strategy left a negative impact on another team that goes beyond that one game. Because of my dislike for your strategy, I am disappointed to see you get rewarded for it. But that's just me, and my opinion :-)

Fortunately, few are doing what you do...if it were more prevalent, I would lose interest in this game fast. And like was previously said as well, BB has a history of the band aid approach to "Fixing" things, rather than working on the foundation of the problems. One of the easy solutions, like you said, charge the salary for a week when firing a guy...kind of like they do with staff. However, to me, that doesn't address the real issues of this game, and just creates other problems. It's already challenging enough to manage your players, arena, staff etc. with all of the restrictions, and then add in minute management, it's another layer of difficulty. However, one thing most of us do to survive all of that, is to buy scrimmage scrubs to balance out minutes, and still get a win over bot teams. However, if what you are doing causes BB to charge one weeks salary for any purchased player...teams are going to have to choose between staying in the tournament, or blowing up game shape etc.

Nothing against you personally :-) I am just not a fan of your strategy...and the #2 ranking put the whole issue on the Tee for me to speak out against it Real life sports is full of drama...Looks we both did our job to make this feel more realistic...you with your lame strategy, and me with my criticism of it

Good luck the rest of the way!

p.s. The deleted message below was a duplicate of this message. Not sure why why it posted twice.

Last edited by Jason at 7/27/2025 10:37:50 PM

Your original message is still full of personal insults. You claim now that it is "nothing against you personally", and you still don't find it appropriate to apologize. Instead you start your new message still claiming that your tone was appropriate given the situation and because I "go against the grain" (?).

Bottom line is, it is completely illogical to me to say that a strategy should not be possible, yet to frame it in as anything other than an issue with the game economy mechanics. You are clearly misdirecting your frustration. I believe the rules should probably change, and you appear to agree, you just don't want it to be a "bandaid". And I don't buy the bandaid argument. There are plenty of one-line code changes that would fix this issue and take fully into account the singular side-effect that you mentioned. It is a little like the issue with the team stats where (as far as I understand) for 18 years the cumulative performance is divided by 48 minutes instead of the total length of the game (leading to wrong ratings for games with OT), because people like to see higher numbers.

And to be clear, I am not trying to make a point by following this strategy. I am simply seeking high DMI players in the TL and I try to value them appropriately given their DMI/(overall cost) ratio. If optimizing that sensible metric to its logical conclusion goes against what the BB community considers realistic "basketball simulation game", then the rules should change.

For the last few months, given the TL situation, this strategy appears to work. Closer to the beginning of the season you can win some games. In the middle of the season you can stay at the salary floor without buying players. Towards the end you buy players for relegation series. Overall you can fairly safely end up somewhere in positions 4-7 of div III leagues and have good chances to remain in div III.

Very valid argument here. I actually kinda like the strategy, as it poses outside the box functions and actually challenges the game to make an actionable offense against it. Sort of like when James Harden would get freebie free throws just by swiping his arms into a defender.


Not to mention it gives all opposition managers a challenge to actually gameplan and or acquire players to match up with your team. What you’re doing is no different than when I tried to buy the African NT big man to try and upset LA Lords last season in the finals…. and it almost worked! going down on salaries a week or 2 is worth it if you

1) win league bc of it
2) get your next round cup winnings
3) win a critical TV/rivalry game
4) win that relegation series

The bigger issue that everyone can agree with is that it screws with the economic integrity of the game. I actually had the time to run quick maths based off of your transfers and subtle economic overview, my projections calculated that you’re making between 140,000 and 160,000 a week given this sort of strategy, which for a middle of the road D3 team that is critical to getting your bankroll to a standard that can compete with seasoned veterans or guys with boatloads of cash.


My ranking is based off record and management performance, which is why I have some teams ranked pretty standardly. I definitely understand some people’s frustration over the strategy but looking at the stats he’s 5-0, so he was deserving of at least a top 4 rankings! Most of us can agree we will question its sustainability but for right now it’s definitely working out for Asingratitos AT THIS POINT IN TIME.


Looking forward to the matchup between AZ and Asingratitos in the next week


Last edited by tough at 7/28/2025 1:42:57 AM

Lol this is kind of gone off the rails a little bit lol. I do not have to apologize for not liking something. And I never said "a strategy should not be possible"... I recognize that it's possible, you're doing it! I said it was lame and I don't like it :-)

And for the record, I didn't say you are lame and I don't like you... I don't like that strategy.

Game 6!!!!


Day 6 (Tuesday 29 July 2025) : Performances by (https://www.buzzer-manager.com)

Night results
Pittsburgh Peacocks 75 - Gunslingers 108
Social Security Kings 115 - Mississippi Cobras 74
Mountain Eagles 122 - Bonham Bricklayers 66
AMC SPIRITS 122 - Maryland Champions 83
Best Freakin Team Ever, Man 83 - KDB 93
Globo Gym 81 - 2 left feet 112
Las Vegas Silver Stars 70 - Asingratitos BC 96
Jim Almeidas Janitor Crew 86 - Arizona Desert Storm 103

Best collective performance of the evening
Points : 122 : Mountain Eagles, AMC SPIRITS
Rebounds : 64 : Mountain Eagles
Assists : 35 : AMC SPIRITS
Steals : 13 : Mississippi Cobras
Block Shots : 12 : Pittsburgh Peacocks

Personal best performances of the evening
Points : 47 : V. Marino (Mountain Eagles)
Rebounds : 25 : S. Talaska (2 left feet)
Assists : 11 : B. Salgado (Globo Gym)
Steals : 6 : R. McCulloch (Mississippi Cobras)
Block Shots : 7 : H. Maluco (Pittsburgh Peacocks)

Top 5 of the evening
Point Guard : E. Sanchiz (AMC SPIRITS) (20 Points, 4 Rebounds, 3 Assists, 2 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 25
Shooting Guard : V. Dhanesh (AMC SPIRITS) (25 Points, 6 Rebounds, 3 Assists, 1 Steals, 2 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 30
Small Forward : R. Lince (Mountain Eagles) (41 Points, 13 Rebounds, 6 Assists, 0 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 50
Power Forward : P. Courbet (Social Security Kings) (11 Points, 14 Rebounds, 7 Assists, 0 Steals, 3 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 31
Center : V. Marino (Mountain Eagles) (47 Points, 13 Rebounds, 5 Assists, 0 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 55

MVP of the evening
V. Marino (Mountain Eagles) (47 Points, 13 Rebounds, 5 Assists, 0 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 55

The bad performance of the evening
Č. Šanko (Bonham Bricklayers) (13 Points, 5 Rebounds, 1 Assists, 2 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : -5

All kinds of statistics
The player who forgot to remove his mittens : M. Dykes (Social Security Kings), Č. Šanko (Bonham Bricklayers), L. Ford (Asingratitos BC) : 7 Turnovers

Player targeted by the referees : S. Zola (Mountain Eagles), N. Papuqi (Globo Gym) : 6 Personnal Fouls

The iron-man : V. Marino (Mountain Eagles), L. Hor Muk (Bonham Bricklayers), Č. Šanko (Bonham Bricklayers), C. Debackere (Globo Gym), M. Hudson (Globo Gym) : 48 Minutes

The shooter : M. Vasil (Gunslingers) : 5 Three points

The best performer : R. Lince (Mountain Eagles) : Rating : 19.0

The worst performer : C. Hoang Khanh (Globo Gym) : Rating : 4.0

Day 7 (Saturday 2 August 2025) : Performances by (https://www.buzzer-manager.com)

Night results
Social Security Kings 100 - Pittsburgh Peacocks 107
Gunslingers 122 - Mississippi Cobras 80
AMC SPIRITS 62 - Mountain Eagles 80
Bonham Bricklayers 114 - Maryland Champions 75
Globo Gym 120 - Best Freakin Team Ever, Man 107
KDB 107 - 2 left feet 92
Jim Almeidas Janitor Crew 109 - Las Vegas Silver Stars 84
Asingratitos BC 73 - Arizona Desert Storm 125

Best collective performance of the evening
Points : 125 : Arizona Desert Storm
Rebounds : 64 : Social Security Kings, Bonham Bricklayers
Assists : 40 : Arizona Desert Storm
Steals : 12 : Las Vegas Silver Stars
Block Shots : 12 : Mountain Eagles

Personal best performances of the evening
Points : 38 : E. Berman (Bonham Bricklayers)
Rebounds : 26 : K. Hoskins (Social Security Kings)
Assists : 11 : R. Peron (Arizona Desert Storm)
Steals : 4 : G. Singleton (Jim Almeidas Janitor Crew)
Block Shots : 6 : R. Lince (Mountain Eagles)

Top 5 of the evening
Point Guard : H. Dirr (Arizona Desert Storm) (31 Points, 2 Rebounds, 6 Assists, 1 Steals, 2 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 33
Shooting Guard : V. Gutsul (2 left feet) (34 Points, 7 Rebounds, 2 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 28
Small Forward : C. Debackere (Globo Gym) (28 Points, 8 Rebounds, 8 Assists, 3 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 38
Power Forward : E. Berman (Bonham Bricklayers) (38 Points, 15 Rebounds, 9 Assists, 1 Steals, 4 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 51
Center : K. Hoskins (Social Security Kings) (22 Points, 26 Rebounds, 2 Assists, 2 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 42

MVP of the evening
E. Berman (Bonham Bricklayers) (38 Points, 15 Rebounds, 9 Assists, 1 Steals, 4 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 51

The bad performance of the evening
J. Fitzgerald (Social Security Kings) (9 Points, 0 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 1 Steals, 0 Block Shots)A. Lassiter (Maryland Champions) (0 Points, 0 Rebounds, 0 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots)P. Knutson (Jim Almeidas Janitor Crew) (5 Points, 1 Rebounds, 0 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots)V. Egorov (Asingratitos BC) (0 Points, 1 Rebounds, 0 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : -3

Triple-Double of the evening
H. Maluco (Pittsburgh Peacocks) (25 Points, 11 Rebounds, 10 Assists, 2 Steals, 2 Block Shots)

All kinds of statistics
The player who forgot to remove his mittens : D. Scarborough (Mississippi Cobras), V. Marino (Mountain Eagles), J. Chambers (Maryland Champions), C. Yuyao (Las Vegas Silver Stars) : 5 Turnovers

Player targeted by the referees : A. Higginbotham (Social Security Kings), W. Stachurski (Maryland Champions), F. Prestidge (Globo Gym) : 6 Personnal Fouls

The iron-man : V. Marino (Mountain Eagles), C. Debackere (Globo Gym), T. Havens (KDB) : 48 Minutes

The shooter : Z. He (Best Freakin Team Ever, Man) : 7 Three points

The best performer : T. Wirayuda (Gunslingers), N. Judd (Arizona Desert Storm) : Rating : 17.5

The worst performer : C. Jordan (Mississippi Cobras), Y. Pagouras (Mississippi Cobras), G. Triplett (Mississippi Cobras), A. Lassiter (Maryland Champions), M. Sotelo (Maryland Champions) : Rating : 5.0