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where did i say yesterday that i didnt have a single player? i just have said that I dont think there are many good players...

Ask me questions that someone can answer. In all your messages you are kind off aggresive, almost giving me the idea that you aren't a grown up. Sorry, if I am wrong. I stopped helping people on the forums, because most people are aggresive and are trying to know better than others and want to voice their opinion instead off really reading the message, trying to understand what is being said and give an answer that adds something to the discussion. Maybe it is a language issue, as I more and more get the feeling it is.

You clearly havent read my speech and are commenting not having the full information, i would like to ask you to first read everything before you respond. I mentioned in my speech that I see this as a 4 year plan and not 2 years. Simply because over the last few seasons I have seen and I am certain this is the case and I even given you prove already in answering another candidate, very few players have/are been/being trained (properly). So I would like to start from scratch and move forward instead off continueing to swim against the current. That is a fight, that in my opinion you cant win.

From now on I will only answer to proper messages, I dont want to get involved in fights/arguments along the way off "I know best". This is a debate forum and not a "let me prove you wrong" thread.

I dont know what the overal qualities are right now off the U21 players. How could I know? I am not running the team. The only thing I can go by is player ratings for players while playing in the U21 team, team ratings and salaries and compare them to other U21 teams. When you do that, your only conclusion can be that we are far behind most teams when it comes to U21 teams... I am fully aware, as we all (should) know these are only guidelines and dont say for certain how good or bad a player is...

from your question I get the feeling you have an idea as to what the minimum qualities off the U21 players should be. Could you please be so kind and share this information with us?

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What about this 2 players? Imagine that you are the coachand give us an opinion about them? you'd select them?. This question is for all of candidates.

Remember. You can make questions to me... I want that. I have to prove that I can be "your" coach and not your "portuguese opponent"

Last edited by Fenómeno at 9/9/2009 7:41:35 AM

well, good candidature.... How you think to be a NT U-21 coach if you don't know the team, if you don't know how you can search the players. The draft is enough for you? After your post I see that you don't know what a NT needs, or if you know show us.

I think that if you really want this, you should have a plan and for now I don't see anything. And by the way, an "excel sheet" don't give us what we really need. England NT diserve more than have at this moment and need someone that can have a training plan, helping plan, interaction plan... and many many more. The only thing that I saw was: you prefer a English Coach and don't want a good NT team.

I am not going to say much to this. you are throwing with mud, trying to twist and turn things that I have said and use it against me to prove a point, but you arent giving us any ideas/examples why you would do a better job than me or the other candidates, just saying I would do a bad job. If that is the way how you think a debate works, fine, so be it, I am not going to join in.

If the english community wants a coach like that, and you guys get voted, you will get my blessing too.

The only thing that I saw was: you prefer a English Coach and don't want a good NT team

it is quite clear you do have a problem with understanding english, because if this is what you understand from what I have said thus far than there is a serious communication problem...

Last edited by Astragoth at 9/9/2009 7:50:32 AM

In my opinion scouting is not the big issue here. I did pretty extensive scouting last season (note that you really have to do this once a season). It's all pretty automated and in the "Real english federation" there is a list of the players worth looking at.

The problem is that it's difficult (impossible?) to get potential stars trained to fulfill their potential. I found it impossible to get the right players in places where they'd get trained properly. Apart from some remarkable few players, that is why our NT efforts are lagging...

Obviously whoever gets elected will get the list of potentials, best draftees for this season, etc. etc. So the partial knowledge of the player pool the candidates have now is not all that relevant...

You Want Ron Pike in NT ? Jan Kerpert? When? This year? Next Year?
Stuart Mcleod will never be in the NT with that defense.
The same for Jonathan Chandra but with very intensive training will be a good player but depends the position

again, you are adding nothing new to the discussion. just repeating exactly what I said. And yes, I do believe players with these levels (right now) are the kind off players that one day might make it into the U21 team.

With regards to your questions whether I expect them to enter the U21 team, you are really trying to make me feel dumb and certainly insulting me with asking whether I would select them this year or next year, you can only ask someone something like this if you believe they would do this. You are really not trying to understand what I am trying to say. But different from the past, I will not join in a senseless argument if this should be a healthy debate.

Please share with us what the minimum level requirements are for players you would select for the U21 team...

ps you can use this what I am going to say, as being a stolen idea and try to use it against me, feel free, however I just read the speeches for the USA U21 team. read what CocoLoloMomo is saying, he believes the U21 team development should be a 4 years plan instead off a 2 years one

Last edited by Astragoth at 9/9/2009 8:01:24 AM

how can i comment on such a question?

These are just 2 players, without having the whole picture as to what the players skill sets are for all the players that are available, there is no way I can say whether I would select them or not. can you?

Last edited by Astragoth at 9/9/2009 8:03:37 AM

Hey, I don't want tou know more than you or more than anyone. I just want to help England NT like you and the rest of candidates.

I'm sorry for you think that I'm agressive, and yes, you're wrong. If I want votes I couldn't be agressive ;).

"I mentioned in my speech that I see this as a 4 year plan and not 2 years"

Yes, I know but the players that you present don't give nothing to NT in next 4 years, except Jan Kepert. That can me a good player if his inside defense grow up to level 12 for example. I talk about his inside defense, not more. But you have to think about his future coach, not about NT coach want. understand?

that is what I have noticed too and said in my speech... exactly the same thing. or well, i tried to say that if this isnt clear to some people...

There will always be trainable players, however most coaches dont train these decent players or put them up a few times a season for inflated prices and training time is being lost... My main idea as stated in my speech is to persuade coaches to train these players or persuade them to sell these players at a fair price so they do get sold and hopefully trained.

In my opinion scouting is not the big issue here. I did pretty extensive scouting last season (note that you really have to do this once a season). It's all pretty automated and in the "Real english federation" there is a list of the players worth looking at.

The problem is that it's difficult (impossible?) to get potential stars trained to fulfill their potential. I found it impossible to get the right players in places where they'd get trained properly. Apart from some remarkable few players, that is why our NT efforts are lagging...

Obviously whoever gets elected will get the list of potentials, best draftees for this season, etc. etc. So the partial knowledge of the player pool the candidates have now is not all that relevant...

Of course, I agree. That is the thing that I try to explain to Astragoth. Is difficult put training players like We want as NT. We have to understand what users think about that. The NT is not the Transfer list, we have good players and good potencial, it's obviously, but the results are bad (in U-21) for this team. And we have many good players that never was in NT. I know them.

Astragoth, I'm not here to put you down I just want to know what ideas you have to present. You never did what exactly you want for this NT. You speech is not conclusive.

Astragoth: I didn't realise you were wanting the U-21 job until today in which case (and after reading your speech) I will remove myself from the running of the job and will assist you (if you will have me) in the scouting of players (which I have already started).

I feel this should be a joint approach and as you have had the close experience of working with previous U21/National managers then you have my backing. I hope that with my support and contribution from hence forward it will have me (hopefully) in the running for any future NT jobs.

I didnt really want to run, but received quite some positive feedback that I should run, so I decided to do so.

I would love to be a team and try to run the U21 together and perhaps work together in the future again running the NT team... However, I dont think we will ever be very succesfull, the highest goal we can ever achieve is qualifying for the second round. But I dont really think we would win many games there.