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I agree with that.
However, I bet if you had 5 players with level 20 in passing, driving and jumpshot and inside shot and jump range and rebounding, and they were playing in div 5 in a weak league against the weakest team then they would get 100 assists :D hahahaha

Last edited by Naker Virus at 8/30/2010 3:18:08 PM

Its really important to have good passing on PG-SG-SF.

Correction (my opinion): It's really important to have good passing in all positions :))

I understand the reasons for PGs not picking up that many assists - the difficulty of training, the quality of a pass not being good enough according to the GE, etc.

Personally I like PGs in basketball - players like Rondo, Nash, Stockton are like having a coach on the floor during offence. It would be nice if there was a way of playing that could replicate the power of the PG in this game and make him the orchestrator on offence - so he needn't score points or even be a great shooter but run the show as a pure PG.

Those PGs who have got far enough to get to around 8 assists or above with 14+ passing in this game have terrible shooting % even with sensational JS, proficient JR and importantly proficient+ experience. There's a few such players on the TL who are averaging 29-40% from the field even when they have big men on their team with over 50% shooting. Such poor decision making at the point? Is there a basketball logic to this?

Check out these two games for some decision making at the point. (23028854) & (23234211)

You can have a good assistman with lvl 9 but the condition is that the rest of your players have lvl 3 or lower, that's the main point. If you've one lvl 15 and two lvl 13 hardly you'll have an high assists number

Those PGs who have got far enough to get to around 8 assists or above with 14+ passing in this game have terrible shooting % even with sensational JS, proficient JR and importantly proficient+ experience. There's a few such players on the TL who are averaging 29-40% from the field even when they have big men on their team with over 50% shooting. Such poor decision making at the point? Is there a basketball logic to this?

you will maybe not miss that much assist when you play another PG without his passing skill, but you will definately miss a lot of points when your PG is a weak passer.
Maybe his effort isn't reflected good in the stats, but in the game i could say you for sure that there are "courtleaders" at the PG spot, and when you are used to european "Assist"(who have higher standards)

maybe another reason would be that those things, ain't happen in a simulation:

"The Jazz guys were pretty open about their liberalities. ... John Stockton averaged 10 assists. Is that legit? It's legit because they entered it. If he's another guy, would he get 10? Probably not.""
...
"though the habit of fudging statistics upward was practically an organizational, if not leaguewide, imperative."
...
"Note that he recorded 50 steals in Vancouver and 29 elsewhere, and that he blocked more than three times as many shots at home as he did on the road. Today, as he calls up the numbers on his computer, Alex laughs. He sounds almost embarrassed. "The blocks," he says, "are atrocious.""

http://deadspin.com/5345287/the-confessions-of-an-nba-sco...

This is also a intresting story:
http://deadspin.com/5336974/how-an-nba-scorekeeper-cooked... - the making of an Assist rekord for Nick van Excel(it is also linked in the previous article)


Last edited by CrazyEye at 8/31/2010 12:40:01 PM

That's a very interesting article. I didn't know it was like that. But guys like Stockton, even if some of their assists were fudged it would still be a small percentage of their total. I have no doubt he'd average close to the 10 mark anyway.

But the point I was trying to make is that master PGs should not be making the kind of poor decisions that they do make in this game. If a high ability PG with proficient experience is going to take so many bad shots that he averages 35% from the field then there's something amiss.

But the point I was trying to make is that master PGs should not be making the kind of poor decisions that they do make in this game. If a high ability PG with proficient experience is going to take so many bad shots that he averages 35% from the field then there's something amiss.

i think that is more a problem of the shooting percentage here, especially when a player shots also some 3 pointer like a PG(+ Guards take more last second shots in my experience)

So 35 isn't really bad, but lot better then 40 is pretty rare for guards in this game and even good big guys just shot 50%. And if nobody else shots much better(or in case of big guys have trouble to get always in position to score), such a shot isn't considered bad.

Seems to be a result of players with low passing skills moreso than a GE problem.

There was a player in my league averaging 11 assists per game on a last place team with phenomenal passing.

So I assume people could have high assists numbers if they have high passing.

Seems to be a result of players with low passing skills moreso than a GE problem.

There was a player in my league averaging 11 assists per game on a last place team with phenomenal passing.

So I assume people could have high assists numbers if they have high passing.

or a question about relation, i could understand when people argue about shooting percentage/assist numbers - and i don't think that the argument is good that you could reach those stats with player who are at a totally different level.

Yeah it is right that 10 Assist is a result of a superior passer, but i think in your case he is close to a double passing value then the opponent OD(and far more then his teammates), and this is probadly the in league comparision of Stockton, Nash and Co. it is more like those players in the third or fourth league.

To be honest it isn't a big problem for me, because passing is worth the training and the money you spend for it(at least for me).