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223524.37 in reply to 223524.34
Date: 8/14/2012 1:07:07 PM
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Again the repetition of the sentence
This is not real life, this is a game
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And once again I will need to repeat that then let's stop the three pointers, the fouls and the money issue. This is "just a game".


Great. The teams in the NBBA will be there for life. Everyone else will create players and then when they turn 21, if they're any good, they'll leave and you'll get nothing. Sign me up!
How does that answers anything?
There is no reason in Staff payment on current market definition.


If you are going to resort to extreme counterexamples when people bring up the legitimate issue that this is, in fact, a game rather than real life, you certainly should not be surprised to see the same extreme examples of the "make it like real life" argument brought up as a counterbalance.

I'd like to invite you to the happy medium, where we realize that realism is a good thing in some scenarios, but as this is primarily a game, one must put the issues of game balance at the top of the hierarchy. When game balance issues do not interfere, of course, more realism is great! Heck, this suggestion by itself isn't even a problem - I don't see any reason it's necessary to not pay staff but I don't see any reason the change is really necessary either. I don't see it as being a problem with balance either way. I just find that if you're using realism as the primary arguing point for a game design change, it's not a winning argument.

The thing is the same as the difference between an argument that has something behind it in comparison of just using irrelevant phrase.
Repeating the phrase "this is not real-life" does not explain why it is not proper to a game.
It is also not year 1900 (another phrase that has the same sense of relevancy), and still it is proper to the game and the right thing to do.

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223524.38 in reply to 223524.36
Date: 8/14/2012 1:10:33 PM
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Assuming you did not understood here it once again.
The BBs said that for the unfairness of 5th place VS 4th place (due to PLAYERS salary payment) is handled by the affect of that place on the Fan-Survey of next season.
Hence, the same increase of unfairness you claimed will happen, will be handled by the same means - increasing the affect of the place at which a team finishes at on the Fan-Survey.


I don't feel that issuing such a change should be dealt by increasing the effect in fan survey of next season.

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223524.40 in reply to 223524.38
Date: 8/14/2012 1:21:43 PM
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Assuming you did not understood here it once again.
The BBs said that for the unfairness of 5th place VS 4th place (due to PLAYERS salary payment) is handled by the affect of that place on the Fan-Survey of next season.
Hence, the same increase of unfairness you claimed will happen, will be handled by the same means - increasing the affect of the place at which a team finishes at on the Fan-Survey.


I don't feel that issuing such a change should be dealt by increasing the effect in fan survey of next season.
Let's define it the right way (as implied on your previous posts);
You don't like the BBs current solution regarding the player salary difference between 4th and 5th place, using the Fan-Survey.
Hence, the above is not a reason for why not implying the suggested addition, but a statement that you don't like the BBs solution regarding the unfairness of player salary payment by 4th place teams in comparison to the 5th place that do not pay it.
Hence (because you like this word), this is irrelevant to this suggestion.

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223524.41 in reply to 223524.39
Date: 8/14/2012 1:26:44 PM
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I see I will need to repeat what I wrote just above...
If the documents state that the world is flat, but it does not fit into the way the market/world works... then it IS a BUG. [Galileo Galiei]
The fact that this is what is written does not make it the right thing or the sole true.

I don't know what you think you are proving, but surely it does not contradicts the sentence above that you quoted.


If the documents say the world is round, and the world is round, but a certain user thinks the round should instead be a dodecahedron, is it a bug?

Staff currently receive a salary in the offseason. Neither of us have access to any internal design documents from BB. We do have access to the manual, which I have linked to and quoted, and it does not in any way say that staff will not receive salaries when there are no competitive games. The manual says staff salaries increase weekly, in practice staff salaries receive weekly, and "Pini does not like this" does not make it a bug.

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223524.42 in reply to 223524.40
Date: 8/14/2012 1:40:58 PM
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Let's define it the right way (as implied on your previous posts);
You don't like the BBs current solution regarding the player salary difference between 4th and 5th place, using the Fan-Survey.
Hence, the above is not a reason for why not implying the suggested addition, but a statement that you don't like the BBs solution regarding the unfairness of player salary payment by 4th place teams in comparison to the 5th place that do not pay it.
Hence (because you like this word), this is irrelevant to this suggestion.


Hence again?
No it's just me saying that I don't think that another addition to the game that helps team that doesn't have a competition game and then make the effect of fan survey bigger to counter it is wrong...

"Did you miss me??? - "With every bullet so far..." Al Bundy
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223524.43 in reply to 223524.41
Date: 8/14/2012 2:00:12 PM
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I see I will need to repeat what I wrote just above...
If the documents state that the world is flat, but it does not fit into the way the market/world works... then it IS a BUG. [Galileo Galiei]
The fact that this is what is written does not make it the right thing or the sole true.

I don't know what you think you are proving, but surely it does not contradicts the sentence above that you quoted.


If the documents say the world is round, and the world is round, but a certain user thinks the round should instead be a dodecahedron, is it a bug?

Staff currently receive a salary in the offseason. Neither of us have access to any internal design documents from BB. We do have access to the manual, which I have linked to and quoted, and it does not in any way say that staff will not receive salaries when there are no competitive games. The manual says staff salaries increase weekly, in practice staff salaries receive weekly, and "Pini does not like this" does not make it a bug.

Irrelevant and not answering any of the claims raised.
The fact that this is what is written does not make it the right way.

When every team who this suggestion relates to find that they can save money by selling the staff at this time, the market will have a storm of staff firing, and then a storm of users buying new staff.
This is a fact and this fact will make it a wrong market definition.
As such, it is needed to be fixed and it is a bug.

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223524.44 in reply to 223524.42
Date: 8/14/2012 2:04:05 PM
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Let's define it the right way (as implied on your previous posts);
You don't like the BBs current solution regarding the player salary difference between 4th and 5th place, using the Fan-Survey.
Hence, the above is not a reason for why not implying the suggested addition, but a statement that you don't like the BBs solution regarding the unfairness of player salary payment by 4th place teams in comparison to the 5th place that do not pay it.
Hence (because you like this word), this is irrelevant to this suggestion.


Hence again?
No it's just me saying that I don't think that another addition to the game that helps team that doesn't have a competition game and then make the effect of fan survey bigger to counter it is wrong...

Now you contradict yourself...
You are the one who wrote just above ANOTHER, hence there is another which is the same player salary I have stated.

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223524.45 in reply to 223524.44
Date: 8/14/2012 2:16:27 PM
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Forget about it man, It's enough for one day...


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