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well i guess japan NT is on such awsome results when their 1st ranked player thinks this way but who cares about NT right
oh and srsly next time when u start counting go hit yourself maybe than a miricle can happen and u will understand what im talking about since i guess u are the only person on bb that doesnt understand that u can win a d3- games with primaries only but like ive said before thats because uve never played in d3- league.and just for the record,what do u think how did players looked like when bb started?u really think that somebody bothered to train secondaries?
and just for the record,i said anything about farms? u do know that croatian NT lost starting PG cause we dont have any? i guess u didnt know that.
again i proved everything ive said and all u do is shouting on the moon without any real example.
actually after ive red your post once again im 99% that all u have done ever is training ST/FT/GS

You're outta line bub.

But on your post: sure, you can win with primary-heavy players... but it would be a ridiculous situation to try and assert that you're better off doing so: either effect/financially-wise.
Long term, even in lower divisions, Wolph is absolutely right. Any lower division team is far better off sacrificing "winning now" for training a well-balanced player. The wins will come, and at a far more financially viable price if a player is well-trained. Add to that, you can get better performances from lower potential players - and get better financial gains should you choose to sell them.
This really isn't "opinion". This is... "fact".

That depends upon potential, and age. Not necessarily at all... if the potential's high enough and the age low enough.

Last edited by malice at 2/13/2013 6:46:36 PM

But if you are training for your U21 team, you shouldn't use a coach level 4.

u do know that difference is 1 pop per season when u compare lvl 4 and lvl 5 coach?
anyway im out,way 2 much theory talk here,i think i made my point,who wanted to understand,he did.

But if you are training for your U21 team, you shouldn't use a coach level 4.

u do know that difference is 1 pop per season when u compare lvl 4 and lvl 5 coach?
anyway im out,way 2 much theory talk here,i think i made my point,who wanted to understand,he did.

Well... the flipside of what you're saying (and as you correctly, tho' unintentionally, assert): the higher the level, the better. That's not up for discussion. You can discuss the financial viability of it, but if you want to short-change your team, it remains your option to do so.
I'm quite happy to take my bonus pops per season.


In all honesty, I don't think you made much of a point at all, as it was fairly easily dismissed.

I just think this is a learning process. Everyone starts as a rookie not knowing how to train and who to train and how to manage economy. Some advice would be good but asserting others "you must do this" is another thing. Human would rather do things their way and if that is the wrong way they are willing to pay the price and learn the lesson and this lesson will be far more impressive.

As you can probably tell from my post, there isn't exactly a conglomerate of guides or how-tos when it comes to training.

This is true. However, you can get a lot of useful information if you look at some U21 forums. You can always find a lot of info on how to train your player. I know it's for U21 only, so not for everybody, but if you are a "noob", you can certainly discover a lot of new things about training if you read U21 guides. Like most of U21 teams we also have a U21 training guide in local and English language that many of our local players use...

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I listed links to ones in English only...but there are many more in other languages.

Last edited by Koperboy at 2/14/2013 4:16:49 AM

I am very vocally against training players for U21 that have no NT future.

I was of the same opinion as you, until I took the coaching place in our U21. Now I'm looking at it from completely different perspective: I'd like to see as many low-potential U21 players as possible. Why?

Making the U21 is not a tough task except in big countries like USA, Poland and Italy, to name a few. You have to have an allstar or perennial allstar with decent skills, trainer lvl4 and 48 minutes of training/week, every week. If your player won't be a starter, it will be at least a good backup. So everyone can have a U21 player (as opposed to NT players).

This means that new managers can get their player to play on U21 as easily as experienced managers . They don't have enough training knowledge? No problem, there are scouts and U21 coach who can help him on every step of the way.

And having a good U21 player is not the most important result, but a manager who learned a lot during training and likes this game enough to stick around. That's why I'm looking at U21 as a starting point of many new managers toward better BB experience.

A new manager who doesn't know how to train, keep good game shape etc. and doesn't find enough info on forums, is likely to give up earlier than later on BB. If, however, he gets a BBmail from me or one of the scouts - that's a whole another story! He has a mentor for his U21 player. He has a person who he can turn to in case of questions. Me or the scouts can even help him on things that are not directly related to his U21 player, like setting prices for his arena, tactics or whatever other issues comes to his mind.

So I'm considering U21 NT as a platform to reach to new managers, keep them in the game and teach them how to train and play. For that purpose, U21 is invaluable to the game.

Last edited by Koperboy at 2/14/2013 5:19:58 AM