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271948.37 in reply to 271948.36
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Well I'm not running, so I'll let Phyr answer that if he wants to, as my opinion would be biased and it is by no means the exact thoughts of Phyr.

Murray/Harris/MPJ/Grant/Jokic - 2020 NBA Champs
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Any American manager can register for the off-site and see the exact threads for each game.

I have 1757 players for sale and I'm $25,835,360 in debt. Buy them at outrageous prices, or be selfish and make me go bankrupt. You decide, BB.
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Any American manager can register for the off-site and see the exact threads for each game.


Right. Thanks for the tip. But I think we need an answer on this thread. Just in case there is possibly an American BB user that is not involved with the offsite.


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GODBEAR you have not produce a single reason why people should vote for you for manager other than the fact that your name is kinda of edgy and that I didn't win the finals. If Americans have a right to win, using your own logic, you are not the answer. You couldn't even win enough with your club team last season to make the playoffs in DIII. And we know for certain that you choose 100% of your tactics. I understand you are not going to agree with this, but it is what it is.

Thegame187, since you also support GODBEAR's argument, since you couldn't win a a single game of your relegation series this season, why should the community trust you to win a big game? Outclassed by an offsite manager I might add.

America does deserves the manager that gives America the best chance to win the next two seasons and that is me and not both of you.

Last edited by Phyr at 8/6/2015 3:52:30 PM

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271948.41 in reply to 271948.40
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PSA: GODBEAR'S REAL NAME IS NOT GODBEAR. Since he is a supporter it shows his press releases and since he has not written a press release it shows the default one from his team's creation.

Illinois Riveters (30106)share

Manager: GODBEAR
Country: USA
League: III.8
Rival: shm
World Rank: 1950
Country Rank: 92
Illinois Riveters Franchise Created!
Posted on 8/2/2013
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With general manager MICKOLAUS at the helm the future looks bright for Illinois Riveters. Their journey to become the best team in BuzzerBeater starts now!


Sounds like a foreign name to me. GODBEAR IS A SHAM, HIS PATRIOTISM ACT IS A LIE, THE CAKE IS A LIE TOO...

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I tend to try and lean more to the side of humility ;)

But I would still have to agree with Phyr here. The logic that thegame and Goldie Bear has presented has been turned over. Phyr's point remains, he did the best he could with what was presented with him, and he did a great job. If he went back and re-did the final game tactics, would he? Well, I can tell you, he tried. I was chatting with him right before the game started and he tried to change the tactic but he was a split-second too late. Both thegame and Golden Globe didn't accomplish the most with what their club teams were given. If I had the time, I would be interested in doing an in-game analysis of each of those two users' hit rates on GDP guesses and tactics.

If either of you can present actual reasons why YOU would be the best choice and not why Phyr wouldn't be the best choice, I will listen. Thegame got on that track when he suggested different builds for players, but I personally do not think that is the best way to go about things. I do appreciate your creativity, though.

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I love this post because you admit:

1) You designed a poor team that couldn't win at the highest levels of BB. We aren't talking about a team that lost in the finals like the USA U21, we are talking about a team that couldn't hack it, lost a whole lot of games, and was relegated. If you admit that you designed a poor team, then I don't know if I would trust you to design, train, and pick a team that can cut it against the other elite international teams.

2) You say that secondaries don't matter. On the U21 that is a half-truth. You can turn a guy with no secondaries into a great player but the best U21 players especially if you want to play multiple tactics need good starting secondaries. Its impossible to successfully run multiple tactics without guys with secondaries. You have stated over and over again that you want a team that can play multiple tactics, but you make contradictory statements. You criticize our amazing semifinals win against Italy because we Motion and not LI? Secondaries not important? Made you should pick a side and stick with it.

On the DI/NT/B3 that is beyond a stupid statement. There is a reason why magiker (offsite hero) won the USA Cup and not you, and it he was because he trained his players to have great secondaries for the NT. Look at the skills of the B3 teams that I posted in USA offsite. They were LI teams that also had great secondaries EVERYWHERE and could play neutral tactics.

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GODBEAR you have not produce a single reason why people should vote for you for manager other than the fact that your name is kinda of edgy and that I didn't win the finals. If Americans have a right to win, using your own logic, you are not the answer. You couldn't even win enough with your club team last season to make the playoffs in DIII. And we know for certain that you choose 100% of your tactics. I understand you are not going to agree with this, but it is what it is.

Thegame187, since you also support GODBEAR's argument, since you couldn't win a a single game of your relegation series this season, why should the community trust you to win a big game? Outclassed by an offsite manager I might add.


In season 31, Illinois Riveters made the finals of the playoffs in league USA III.8
* Yes, I lost in the finals this past season. To an American.
In season 28, Yorkville BC made the finals of the playoffs in league USA III.13
* Yeah you've never lost a D3 final?
In season 30, South Stags were crowned champions of league USA II.1
* Yeah, not sure what your point was comparing your teams history to thegame.

America does deserves the manager that gives America the best chance to win the next two seasons and that is me and not both of you.


World Championships results:
s9 - 6th
s11 - 6th
s13 - 6th
s15 - Bronze
s17 - Gold
s19 - Gold
s21 - Silver
s23 - 6th
s25 - 6th
s27 - Gold
s29 - Gold
s31 -Silver

Americas Tournament results:
s6 - did not place
s8 - Gold
s10 - Bronze
s12 - Gold
s14 - Silver
s16 - Gold
s18 - Gold
s20 - Gold
s22 - Gold
s24 - Gold
s26 - Gold
s28 - Gold
s30 - Silver

Coaches:
Season 6 - 7 brian
Season 8 - 11 Coco
Season 12 - 15 Jelme
Season 16 - 17 RamboVT
Season 18 - 21 magiker
Season 22 - 25 fewmit
Season 26 - 29 E.B.W.
Season 30 - 31 Phyr

You still did not answer the question. You need to admit that ultimately you pressed the button that cost us the gold. You say you are the candidate that gives America the best chance to win, well you had a chance.


Last edited by GOLDMEMBEAR at 8/6/2015 4:28:57 PM

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PSA: GODBEAR'S REAL NAME IS NOT GODBEAR. Since he is a supporter it shows his press releases and since he has not written a press release it shows the default one from his team's creation.

Illinois Riveters (30106)share

Manager: GODBEAR
Country: USA
League: III.8
Rival: shm
World Rank: 1950
Country Rank: 92
Illinois Riveters Franchise Created!
Posted on 8/2/2013
It's a proud day for BuzzerBeater as the commissioner has announced the induction of a new expansion team - Illinois Riveters. The team has yet to play a single game and already there is much hype surrounding this new and exciting franchise. Fans are lining up at the box office in order to obtain season tickets, media outlets are scrambling for interesting stories on the squad, and TV stations are fighting for broadcasting rights.

With general manager MICKOLAUS at the helm the future looks bright for Illinois Riveters. Their journey to become the best team in BuzzerBeater starts now!



Sounds like a foreign name to me. GODBEAR IS A SHAM, HIS PATRIOTISM ACT IS A LIE, THE CAKE IS A LIE TOO...


And if I don't win this I am going to send my resume to the Toccoa Panthers!

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271948.46 in reply to 271948.41
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Ok time to ignore all the theatrics and be serious.

A look at the candidates:

Thegame187

Club success: Manager for 19 seasons since S13. 4 in D.V, 3 in D.IV, 8 in D.III, 3 in D.II, 1 in NBBA. Currently in D.II after relegating from NBBA.

NT record: Coached NZ U21 NT, 28th in world, for 6 seasons. Enjoys 73% approval rating. No strong sign of innovation or success but in fairness, not much to work with in terms of a player base.

Training: Has never trained a US U21 NT player (which would be a sign of personal commitment to U21 team's success, a desirable trait in a would-be manager).

Philosophy: Different player builds that often strongly defy conventional norms. Limited justification for these builds (e.g. no PA/DR/HA on a potential SG in khenry's hypothetical situation when statistics show the necessity of those skills). Questions tactical choices, even successful ones, (e.g. motion in semifinal) in ways that seem to contradict his desire to run multiple offenses, 'break out of the mold' and be different. Is an offsite member but rarely active. Disapproves of the offsite, ostensibly on the grounds of being too much of a cabal/secret society that is more concerned with its own interests and not welcoming to others. Is concerned that Phyr is just getting a free pass to run again based on his hard work and reputation on the offsite, even though he hasn't produced the desired results (i.e. not winning gold). Would de-emphasize offsite contributions as manager despite an unprecedented track record of success produced by the community discussion. Seems to want to do things his own way, being different for the sake of being different and putting all the power in the hands of one individual, himself, instead of the community.


Godbear

Club success: Manager for 8 seasons since S24. 3 in D.V, 2 in D.IV, 3 in D.III. Currently in D.III after losing in the finals with a chance to advance to D.II on the line.

NT record: No NT coaching record (that I know of). Has registered in several of the past U21 elections, seemingly only half seriously at best. Garnered some (again half-joking) support for his theatrically embellished speeches of patriotism.

Training: Has never trained a US U21 NT player (which would be a sign of personal commitment to U21 team's success, a desirable trait in a would-be manager).

Philosophy: Has often run on 'Murica-based themes, how America is the best and deserves to win. Currently more of the same and proclaiming how failing to defeat France in the final makes Phyr unfit to lead 'Murica. Little involvement on the offsite but has not voiced explicit disapproval.

Phyr
Club success: Manager for 10 seasons since S22. 3 in D.V, 3 in D.IV, 3 in D.III, 1 in D.II. Currently in D.II after losing in the first round of playoffs in first season in D.II.

NT record: Coached US U21 NT for past two seasons, winning Americas and getting Silver in worlds after a rough start with one of the weaker teams in recent memory that especially struggled during the beginning of this season. Had to overcome enthusiasm deficit and stronger opponents (e.g. Italy) via different tactical choices agreed upon by collective decision. Ultimately defeated in Finals by his his own trademark--France used tactics to perfection on offense and defense to give US one of their most significant losses in team history both due to the margin of defeat and what was at stake.

Training: Has trained U21 players on Utopia team devoted basically specifically to the good of the U21 NT. Has been preparing a crop of big men for next season's worlds team since before he was elected manager.

Philosophy: Emphasizes importance of offsite community, sticking with what has been shown to work. Emphasizes importance of scouting and has been a leader in this area on the offsite. Not looking to make major

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