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I agree with you on not putting unnecessary obstacles in the way of fresh teams (after all we want this game to grow), and I guess some of the mechanisms already in place - if tightened further - would do just that.

Question is if many teams would have the patience to hoard under the current circumstances? I guess time will tell, but I'm sure some will though. And they'll possibly go about dominating the BBB for seasons on. If so, I believe in your suggestion, and think it should be viewed as an additional challenge, adding to the realism of the game as salary caps are enforced in some big leagues (to counteract the similar effect) for real (NHL, etc). It would - as you mention - bring some interesting aspects to the management of your team as to what type-of-team you want (star guards, star centers, evenly balanced, all star top 5, etc..).

As for the discussion of what-kind-of-game-this-is, I would also like to see the sport side (team building, tactics, training) get more attention than the management side (arena development, transfers). After all, it's a game about a sport we love.

So, again... Your suggestion is excellent IMO and certainly something the BB's should look into when needed.

Last edited by Borislav at 4/7/2009 8:17:35 AM

Out of interest how much do you think it will cost someone in your country to overturn the success you have built up?

Then, how long in BB seasons do you think they need to get to that stage.

Then at what level do you think your team will be by then?

I won't condone it but if someone wants my crown in Japan and thats the best way for them to do it then why not.

I've just read a post on farm teams that seem to be given the green light which i believe is absurd.... if that is going to be allowed (ok so they are not cheating but basically they will stop any balanced manager owning a NT player in the future) then money hoarding must be an option for any user.

I can only assume if it becomes a problem that BB's may decide to curb the speed as to how fast teams can save but we had day trading and then that loop hole was closed... why not allow teams to save up $10mil + (isnt that the plan anyway via training??) if they dont want to reinvest right away why should they.

If something is done about this before a rule change that prevents farm teams (which i cant think of a rule at the moment) then i will be AMAZED.

Out of interest how much do you think it will cost someone in your country to overturn the success you have built up?

Then, how long in BB seasons do you think they need to get to that stage.

Then at what level do you think your team will be by then?

One or two new transfers should do the trick for them. It won't even take them a BB season, they can do it right now if they wanted to. I can think of at least a couple of teams that are right on my tail, the only difference is I found the player I was looking for at the beginning of the season while they are still taking their time searching. And some of them are waiting on their local trainees. When they do bring in their star, it's back on level terms.

Anyhow, with the introduction of the team salary cap, I will be the first team to be restricted by the cap. While the others can catch up and continue to improve their players, I will have to rely more and more on tactics and team management to eke out wins. It's hardly a move which will consolidate my position.


I will reserve my thoughts on NT farm teams for that thread, and I have a strong stand on this issue.

I can only assume if it becomes a problem that BB's may decide to curb the speed as to how fast teams can save but we had day trading and then that loop hole was closed... why not allow teams to save up $10mil + (isnt that the plan anyway via training??) if they dont want to reinvest right away why should they.

As per my explanation in my earlier posts to Boris, I have no issue with teams that want to save up $10M. Nor do I have an issue if they do not want to reinvest that money and choose to sit on that $10M if that is what they want.


Last edited by Sparkle at 4/8/2009 5:06:00 AM

Because the impact of this change is immediate, I do agree with you that it is a plausible solution when the time comes. It is something we can keep in our back pocket and continue to monitor BB's growth and direction.

I haven't thought about the implementation timeline, so your input on it being something that can be done when required is certainly new to me. Thanks for the idea, Boris.

but you still forget that you could work with money to dominate easily even with the cap ;) Because it gives players who bring lot more effort for the same salary, and those wone will be your salary monsters.

but you still forget that you could work with money to dominate easily even with the cap ;) Because it gives players who bring lot more effort for the same salary, and those wone will be your salary monsters.

Dominate easily even with the cap? I think that's seriously underestimating the competition. :)

Once you've reached the cap, you begin to work around this restriction be it tactics or multiskilled players. Then other teams will start reaching the cap, and the only thing separating you and them will be your ingenuity. There is only so much performance you can pack intoa player of a certain salary, and you will start experimenting with players of different skillsets to get what you want.

It has a dual effect as a medium for teams at the top to play on the same level and also promotes multiskilled players of different kinds.

you underestimated the effect of the price of this player, and about training them yourself, means lot of playing out of position which is honestly bad for your succes - you could believe me there ;)

Ruining is succes to get superior in future was the target you like to avoid, and you need more then 2/3 of such players to counter the attack of money, so you need to have very very high amount of money to stay competive against a guy who takes the money on the bank account before he is attacking.

I know about training out of position players, I've done it myself for my NT trainees but I cannot see the correlation between your post and the topic at hand. Sorry, today my brain is working a little too slowly from lack of sleep. I hope to rectify that in a bit. As it is, I feel like we're looking at the same page number from two different books.

Hi Josef, was wondering when you'd come in. :)

Allow me to digress for a bit. I know the mechanics of salary optimization is like opening a can of worms. It's just so abstract and accurate data is hard to come by, heck the users can't even agree on how the salary-potential-skill axis works. And it is not for everyone, I'd point back to the 'Soft Cap' topic in Global as an example (Yes, I haunt that thread too and thoroughly enjoy the banter flying about).

Back to the topic, the choice to buy a certain player still remains up to the individual managers. If they choose to buy a ridiculously unbalanced 30 year old player with a skill total of 150 allocated primarily on skills that matter least for his position, it can be said that he will not as effectiive as those whose skills are allocated in a more effective manner. And if most of his skills matter least for his position, then it is safe to say that he is being played out of position. If that 30 year old was a Center and most of his skills were allocated on outside skills, I'd point out that he is not actually a Center but more of a SG or a SF.

How the managers choose to configure their teams and players, is up to them. You don't have to focus attention on the fine-tuning details of it. But if someone has spent countless hours experimenting with the side skills and found a killer tactic to synergize them, I'd have to hold my hands up and applaud him for smacking my team with a 40 point difference. And hope to exchange info later, of course.