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This game is all strategy. The more time you invest, the better the rewards.

Hmmm, not always. Often times your strategy can get smacked down by ......ahem......changes to the game. Damn glad I didnt train much rebounding with the new changes

The staff of BB are just regular dudes and are bound to make mistakes. If you notice one, alert them. Don't berate them. If we keep those clowns (I am looking at you juiced) happy, they will feel motivated to work harder and smarter. Throwing tomatoes does not make a comedian funnier.

No, but throwing tomatoes at an unfunny comedian makes you feel like at least you got some of your investment back.

My question is- isnt there a test server that they put changes on first to see if they work? How did the team rebounding and double double announcement get so screwed up? You guys arent just writing code and praying.......are you? Havent they been working on this in scrims all last season? If you test it and it works, it should work right? If you test it and it doesnt work, why do you add it in? (cocking back a tomato, waiting for answer)

I say get rid of free agents...They are a spawning ground for Farm Teams. People start a second team on a computer at a Internet cafe...they then in turn buy a decent player with good OD and still young. Then they put the training on OD 1 position and then stick that player in at PG on a default line up. After 6 or 7 weeks of training this team goes bot and the player hits the Free agent market where team A saves his money just for this day. He then gets a PG with Wondrous OD(up from prolific). The reason why I know this is...someone told me about a player and that this is what he did. I was going to report this team but how could I prove anything...I say just get rid of free agents and you will cut this type of cheating out and it will make training players profitable again......also stop some Day traders..

I don't see how this would stop cheating at all. Using your scenario, the manager could just go back to the internet cafe after 7 weeks and list the trainee for 1k. Stopping free agents would not make any difference to the cheating.

I say get rid of free agents...They are a spawning ground for Farm Teams. People start a second team on a computer at a Internet cafe...they then in turn buy a decent player with good OD and still young. Then they put the training on OD 1 position and then stick that player in at PG on a default line up. After 6 or 7 weeks of training this team goes bot and the player hits the Free agent market where team A saves his money just for this day. He then gets a PG with Wondrous OD(up from prolific). The reason why I know this is...someone told me about a player and that this is what he did. I was going to report this team but how could I prove anything...I say just get rid of free agents and you will cut this type of cheating out and it will make training players profitable again......also stop some Day traders..

I hope they don't strip me of my titles...... you promised not to say anything :D



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I'm going to go against the grain of almost everyone in some ways and a few in other ways.

What no one has come to realise is that, firstly, Ozzy, the troubles you're having are not limited to you. If you have this problem, EVERYONE has this problem. Therefore, at this point in time, the answer is simply that you, and others in your position, are not dealing well with the strategies needed to be successful in this game.

This leads me to my next point: "the strategies needed to be successful in this game". Everyone knows that the following is from the home page of BB:

"BuzzerBeater is an online basketball simulation game that pits you against other managers across the planet. Play head-to- head against other challengers, employing strategic game play and statistical analysis."

Please let it be clear that I enjoy the game as it is. However, I would enjoy it a lot more if it more closely followed how it is advertised. A small part of the success of the game comes from basketball analysis. The largest influence of success is learning and utilising the trading system, and to a smaller degree the training system. This is not basketball management simulation.

When I first started playing this game, I sat for literally hours and scoured all the statistics from all of my competitors, read about the strategies in the game rules and forums, and changed tactics over and over again. This is what I thought the game was about.

Now, I sit on the TL and wait for crazy deals to jump out and anxiously await for the Friday update to observe the pops my trainees have achieved (which I then strategise about where they need to be trained further and how much they might be able to fetch on the TL). In fact, one of the only reasons I got supporter was so that I could use the bookmarking function.

This is not basketball management simulation. Don't get me wrong, it's an enjoyable game, but it would be so much more enjoyable if the product did what it said on the packet.

Thanks Axis...That was a great post and is what I think. I used to spend my time scouting my opponent and now I am doing the same thing looking at the TL. This game needs more Basketball and less market watching..

Selective editing is a great ploy. Unfortunately, it's also misleading. You forgot to mention that in the same paragraph that you quoted it also says,

Go beyond fantasy basketball and run your own franchise.

and then,

Take your team to the top of your league. Then continue up the BuzzerBeater ranks to beat out managers from around the world. No excuses. No retreat. Just you and 53162 opponents who would like nothing better than to run you out of the gym.
Realistic basketball action. Play the most advanced basketball simulation and coaching AI ever released. Watch games live on a state-of-the-art viewer.
You're the manager. You pick the players, you train them, and you tell them how to play. Want a bigger arena? Build it. Want to draft a superstar? It's all about scouting. You make the decisions and you’re in charge!

I think that is pretty much what the game is. I spend very little time on the TL (because I am not very good at it and don't really like stock markets) and mostly train not to sell but to improve my team. I spend a lot of time analyzing my opponents. So, as the BB's have said, there are many possible strategies to employ. I use a completely different one than you do. And while it would be wonderful to be able to have a match-up zone and the old Notre Dame Irish offense, remember that it is a simulation and those types of tactics require decisions that this GE isn't currently capable of simulating.

There are other basketball management games out there that allow you a wider spectrum of game time tactical choices. They suck compared to this game, though. At least for me.

I have edited nothing. I have selected parts of the advertisement on the home page that give a misleading representation of the game that is BB. You added more of what is written and, even in what you added, there is further evidence to support my point:

Realistic basketball action. Play the most advanced basketball simulation and coaching AI ever released.

Now, while I don't deny that it is a great game engine, it truly is, that still does not mean it is "advanced basketball simulation".

Getting into a word play is superfluous to the debate here. It is clearly evident that those who know very well how to use TL strategy will do a lot better than those who only know about basketball strategies. If it is a Basketball Simulation Game, this simply doesn't make sense.

I understand that there are limitations to what is able to be done by the BBs. This makes sense, especially considering the financial issues they would face (the inability to hire necessary staff etc). I praise the BBs on their efforts and humility (as was evident in BB-Edju's last post in this thread). However, I do believe that it isn't fair to use inappropriate wording on advertisements for the game. I would really love to see some improvements in how the economic system works so that it is more about Basketball Strategy than Trading Strategy.

One of my first mentors, when he was explaining how the game works and the strategies I should use, I thought, "wow, why doesn't this guy trade stocks or futures?" I started to learn about stocks and futures a couple of years ago and there are certain elements of this game that are strikingly similar.

If the BBs were to create another game that, sure there was training involved and some kind of trade system, but was more focused on Basketball Strategy, I would probably pay for supporter straight away. I would do this because I can see that there has to be some smarts to create this game as it is, and this has given me a lot of confidence in the BBs.

Last edited by Axis123 at 1/23/2011 10:46:26 PM

I admit I can see your point about the value of TL poaching as a way to build money, but I actually agree with GM-somedetsfinest:

I think that is pretty much what the game is. I spend very little time on the TL (because I am not very good at it and don't really like stock markets) and mostly train not to sell but to improve my team. I spend a lot of time analyzing my opponents. So, as the BB's have said, there are many possible strategies to employ. I use a completely different one than you do. And while it would be wonderful to be able to have a match-up zone and the old Notre Dame Irish offense, remember that it is a simulation and those types of tactics require decisions that this GE isn't currently capable of simulating.

There are other basketball management games out there that allow you a wider spectrum of game time tactical choices. They suck compared to this game, though. At least for me.

To me the game is still at its heart a strategic 1-basketball, 2-management game. It's about understanding how your team works and how your opponent's team works (the strategic basketball parts), and then trying to figure out how you can beat your opponent (through both short-term basketball strategy and, more long-term, management strategy).

The TL and the training system are tools to help achieve that goal, but they're more than just tools to generate money. Ultimately it's still a game where you try to determine what your opponent wants to do, what your own team can do, and then how you can create a situation where you are able to do what you want and he is not.

Having more resources never hurts, but if it's beginning to seem like more money is the only way to create those favorable situations for your team, I think you ought to take a step back and consciously try to broaden your view of what options are available.

Here's a list of things that are often not given much credit on the forums:

-2-3
-Princeton
-FCP
-Shot Blocking
-JR (higher than like 13+)
-Big men with guard skills/guards with inside skills (most people realize these are nice to have, but most people also don't go through the trouble to train them seriously)

... and opinions are already forming for and against the new isolation and box/1 tactics.

So of course if everyone is trying to play exactly the same way, buying and training the same types of players, running the same tactics, etc it begins to seem like the only factor that separates managers is how much money they can bring in, but I think if you go back to your roots and look at all the strategies and options again with a fresh set of eyes, you'll find that the BB have created a pretty large strategic space for us to compete in, with a wide variety of options at our disposal.

Tactics etc are only 'broken' until someone figures out how they actually work and begins to use them to their advantage. Then the rest of the community catches on and it just becomes common game knowledge. Maybe the game could be even more fulfilling for you if you made something like that your focus?