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From: E.B.W.

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Date: 10/18/2012 10:18:28 PM
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Uh i think my Chuck Norris league is much harder.... Plus i think you kind of put your own league down by clearly showing that your leagues Number 1 seed is weak compared to all the other leagues and it doesn't matter if you beat him on the road as a low seed because you stated how you tanked the first 10 games of the season which means you wouldn't have been the 7th seed if you were trying and most likely would have been at least a 3rd seed IMO.

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From: TheChamp

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Date: 10/18/2012 11:41:48 PM
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Uh i think my Chuck Norris league is much harder....

Of course it is, I wasn't saying it was the toughest. I was making the point that III.10 is not the worst D3 of all.

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Date: 10/19/2012 4:56:04 AM
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I'm not a fan of using PD and # of wins in any ranking comparing leagues on toughness, as all this does is measure a league's internal parity. This part of the formula rewards a league just as much for having exceptionally bad teams as it does for having exceptionally good teams, and it is impossible to distinguish between the two.

Everyone is gonna have different ideas of the best formula of course. To me the ideal formula would be something like...
square root of {[(350 - CR1)^2 + (350 - CR2)^2 + ... (350 - CR16)^2] / 16} where CRx is the country rank of each team. Subtracting each rating from 350 and then squaring it is just a method for weighting the better teams more heavily. I like it because if the sixth best team sucks relative to the first, they aren't weighted too heavily in this, but if they are almost as good as the best team, they are weighted heavily.

Of course there are major concerns with the reliability of WR/CR but I don't know any way around using them. Any ideal ranking would also consider PLs and Cup Games but I don't know any way to do that which would be remotely practical.

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Date: 10/19/2012 7:35:10 AM
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III.10 comes out a lot better here, and III.8 looks like the big wimp. I suppose you can look at this list as "the hardest league to avoid relegation in" ranking. A rough calculation compared to Simon's fine tuned formula, but some more fuel for debating.


You can, but of course you'd be wrong. ;)

If you wanted to come up with something to evaluate the difficulty of avoiding relegation, you'd have to have something that weights most heavily the bottom three teams in each conference - if the top five on each side are elite and the bottom three are poor, avoiding relegation should be a piece of cake. Likewise, if all sixteen teams in a league are good, even if few are elite, that's a league where good teams get relegated. Naturally, if the calculation were instead the hardest league to promote out of, those two hypothetical leagues would be flipped.



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Date: 10/19/2012 7:50:32 AM
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Of course there are major concerns with the reliability of WR/CR but I don't know any way around using them. Any ideal ranking would also consider PLs and Cup Games but I don't know any way to do that which would be remotely practical.


I would think that, putting issues of practicality aside, an ideal solution would lessen the weight of CR and would instead weight teams' actual performance in league matches - for example, a team that's throwing matches in the league to stay deep into the Cup may be increasing their CR but is definitely not making the league tougher. Of course, there are also problems with match ratings as indicators of strength - between the rating inflation for OT games and the fact that secondary skills which are often differentiators of truly strong teams not being reflected correspondingly.

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Date: 10/19/2012 10:22:46 AM
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Holler at the Thunder Gods!

I struggled with teams like them in IV for 10 seasons, then finally promoted into the III.7 with the highest ranked team and I am fighting for 5th place...

From: ipsonj
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228429.44 in reply to 228429.43
Date: 10/25/2012 5:52:17 PM
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So which D.III league has the highest combined total salary?

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228429.45 in reply to 228429.44
Date: 10/26/2012 2:18:26 AM
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That's a great point/question, this might actually show the toughest league, although I dunno how one would go about answering that, may be a complicated task. Anyone?

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Date: 10/28/2012 4:17:05 PM
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No. Not again.

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Date: 10/29/2012 12:41:22 AM
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Hahahahaahaha no doubt

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Date: 11/2/2012 4:08:43 PM
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I think that III.14 may not have the toughest total league, though we do have both high ranked teams at the top and no super low ranking teams, I do think that we have the toughest side (great 8). 3 teams in the top 53 and only one outside the top 220 (at 271). It is a brutal conferance including a team that made the final 8 of the cup. It was interesting to see all of the infrmation for D3.

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