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Line should be drawn for extreme cases such as the one that had just happened in Lithuania. Obvious U21/NT sabotage should lead to immediate bans.

It's not an exact line but it's good enough. Extreme cases are very obvious. If it doesn't qualify as extreme, then it's just mismanagement.

That and intentionially putting scrub players on the team to play important matches. It has to be extreme. Extremities only happen in rare cases.

Seems like this could be handled with a fairly simple rule that a NT manager can't call more than one of his own players. The issue that's bigger than the NT issue is that he's using a different team to benefit his club team. Continuously exploited, that hole could produce teams that would affect larger areas throughout the game and outside the nation where the abuse is taking place, B3 for example.

Seems like this could be handled with a fairly simple rule that a NT manager can't call more than one of his own players.

During previous WC NT manager of China called at least 3 (maybe 4, or more, I didn't focus on that) own players, the same as NT manager of Ceska 2 seasons earlier. I think it would be hard to prove that they were saboteurs.
Afaik at least last five in row (and probably more) NT managers, who won last five NT WC, called at least one own player. It means that NT managers, who don't call own players, should be banned ;-)

But still, the rule would work to prevent any serious abuse. More than that, it'd make the game more interesting. I'm not concerned at all about past winners and their practices.

That is a bad rule. What if the manager is one of the four active Tunisian teams and also managing the Tunisia U21 team and actually knows what they are doing and trained his rookies and could easily have three of the top 16 U21 players.

I think the rule should be clearly only for extreme circumstances where it can be proven that the manager is sabotaging the team they are supposed to be managing.

This should NOT include:
Forgetting to set a lineup
Forgetting to organise a scrimmage
Using a poor tactic
having some weak players on the team (could be development players or potential free agents)

But it should include:
Putting their own players onto the team that do not deserve to be there (not even close)
Forefitting multiple games
Clearly having a sub-optimal roster with no good reason (a good reason includes clearing out the 21s late in the season and experimenting with the 19s and 20s) but playing $3k players when there are $20k ones available

It removes any subjective judgement from the analysis and makes it something that could be coded into the game. The rule just as easily could be two players. Sure, there's a balancing act between arbitrariness and subjectiveness. Admittedly, I wasn't considering nations that have only a handful of teams. Perhaps there are more of those than I thought. Likewise, that might get the four Tunisian managers to talk some friends into joining. I still think the bigger issue is NT managers giving their club teams an unfair advantage. NT tournaments are, to me, just a sideshow.