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308441.39 in reply to 308441.38
Date: 3/28/2021 10:25:11 PM
Johns Creek Wave
III.4
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Second Team:
Holly Springs Haggis
The reason no one cares is simple. Very few teams have NT caliber players. And most managers only care about their teams. This means that the only people who really care about the NT are those managing it and those who have players on it. So you are probably talking about 25-30 players. Not much will change that.

One way to get more players involved would be to include NT results in the news feed. It's more likely someone will reda it there. But I still think most players won't care.

I voted for Lambini because I like him. He was in one of my old D3 groups. He was entertaining. I have no expect6ation that he would make a good coach. He'll probably make a lousy one. But at least it will put a lot of nonsense to rest. And everyone enjoys watching a a good train wreck.

However - he is way off base with some of the accusations he threw out there. The number of people who get involved in the NT is small for the reasons I gave above. It will likely always be that way. And a some point, a few people will have to make decisions on how to play things. You can have 3-5 people on a management team. 10 won't work. So it ends up being a small circle because that's what works. All the "cabal" stuff is just projecting your fears on someone else.

But if you do get elected, it's pretty likely you won't get their help. And that would be bad.

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308441.40 in reply to 308441.39
Date: 3/29/2021 2:51:01 AM
Cyborgs
III.16
Overall Posts Rated:
7878
Second Team:
Brawlers
Just a quick thought on this subject.... It is quite possible that the staff are not reaching out to managers that might have a future NT Player
I know this to be a fact as I have a player with MVP Potential and not one time did any NT or U21 staff inquire about him. His training is coming along very nicely and in 3-4 seasons he will be a matchup nightmare at the SF Position. This isn’t the first time I had a player that maybe could have made the team but this player is the best one I ever had that has the best shot at making the NT TEAM... that being said I probably could have also made the staff aware of this player as well but it would have be nice to know that the staff might have made the attempt to reach out to me to find out what training plans I have for this player . I have a player on my Utopian team that I am training and their NT Manager has reached out to me on training plans and follows up on his improvement we discuss future training and the needs of the team for the SF Position ... for me it really makes a difference and makes you feel involved to hopefully have a player on the NT TEAM....

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308441.41 in reply to 308441.40
Date: 3/29/2021 6:45:33 AM
Greensboro Generals
III.7
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Thanks for speaking up, nice to have someone independently state this. Actually I want to see managers become more involved in training across the board no matter if the player is nt potential or not.

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308441.42 in reply to 308441.40
Date: 3/29/2021 7:57:44 AM
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There are ads that we have set to show up on every player page which directs how to contact the U21 and NT if you haven’t been contacted. I can’t speak for the U21 on contacting you, but from a NT side your player had less than a 1% chance at spawn due to his potential. With the training buffs, the age of MVPs on the NT is dying and you might only see one every couple seasons if they have a build that is necessary.

As for your player now, I looked and he has no chance to make the NT. He can still be a decent piece for your club team for sure since he is extremely balanced, but he will at no point be close to good enough for the highest level of competition.

This isn’t a knock on you or your training, or as Lambini would like to believe a knock on the NT for not talking with you. It’s a simple matter of spending NT time/resources on the players that have an actual shot at making the team.

Last edited by khenry at 3/29/2021 8:01:25 AM

I once had a team with 1757 players and was $25,835,360 in debt. This is not that team. Join the Discord group open to anyone, but especially for USA managers to improve your club or get involved with the U21 and NT programs (https://discord.gg/cKpNkt2).
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308441.43 in reply to 308441.41
Date: 3/29/2021 7:58:41 AM
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Which is exactly what we do at the Discord so...

And if you’re taking that as your proof of the NT not talking with “potential NT players”, well you go ahead and feel free to fill the NT with Superstar and MVP players when you get the job. All this did was reiterate to me that we’ve been talking to the managers who have players with the best chance to make the team.

Last edited by khenry at 3/29/2021 8:10:24 AM

I once had a team with 1757 players and was $25,835,360 in debt. This is not that team. Join the Discord group open to anyone, but especially for USA managers to improve your club or get involved with the U21 and NT programs (https://discord.gg/cKpNkt2).
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308441.44 in reply to 308441.43
Date: 3/29/2021 8:20:20 AM
Cyborgs
III.16
Overall Posts Rated:
7878
Second Team:
Brawlers
As I mentioned in my post, there was an opportunity for me to contact the staff, it just would have been nice to maybe have the staff contact you on a possible potential player for the NT TEAM, now I understand a little bit better that 1- you don’t have the staff and 2- you don’t waste your time on anything less than HOF due to the level of competition.... maybe at some point I will get a player that meets the NT requirements...

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308441.45 in reply to 308441.44
Date: 3/29/2021 8:48:28 AM
Alaska Alphas
III.8
Overall Posts Rated:
6464
Second Team:
Oregon Omegas
Ok to me this post just shows that you don’t follow the NT at all... look at any major NT in the game and tell me how many MVPs you see. It’s not gonna be many, and those that are, are likely perfectly trained to max TSP under the MVP cap. To say that it’s a failure of the NT to not assume that some random MVP, who has $12k salary at 22, is being perfectly trained, is a joke.

Join the BB USA Discord! https://discord.gg/kApjNTK
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308441.46 in reply to 308441.45
Date: 3/29/2021 8:55:42 AM
Cyborgs
III.16
Overall Posts Rated:
7878
Second Team:
Brawlers
I never said it was a failure of the NT staff, I said it would have been nice to have been contacted by the staff and I also said I had the opportunity to contact them as well... so why are we taking it to this level... I already had a discussion with KHenry and I understand now what NT is looking for on the team...

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308441.47 in reply to 308441.46
Date: 3/29/2021 12:03:19 PM
Flashover
NBBA
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Second Team:
Reuben Jones 2.0
Since your player is currently 22 years old. I think I'm in the best position to speak to this.

1. The inefficiency of BB scouting is making it hard for us NT managers to contact all the players. Every offseason I have to manually add/drop 600+ players, 18 players at a time in order to complete the scouting in a limited amount of time, on top of the actual life schedule (work, family etc.)

2. As mentioned above, 12k salary at 22 years old likely didn't make the cut when I scout. We do what we can to limit the number of players we have to scout in order to save time and move forward.

While it is nice to have NT staffs contact every single USA owner, I hope my message helps you and all other owners understand the workload better, and make sure to use the resources provided to you guys (BB-mail, Discord, or even post something in the post I created on-site?) and reach out to us should you feel your player is being left off.

Last edited by GForce03 [HK U21] at 3/29/2021 12:07:17 PM

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308441.48 in reply to 308441.47
Date: 3/29/2021 12:54:06 PM
Cyborgs
III.16
Overall Posts Rated:
7878
Second Team:
Brawlers
I appreciate the feedback, I was totally unaware of the types and Potentials of players that are needed to make the NT Team competitive in the Worlds... I see now that my player although has MVP Potential he is way behind the curve to ever play on the team and would definitely be a weak link in any NT games and does not deserve to be on the team. I wish I could be more involved with either of the USA Teams but unfortunately I work 70 hours a week and as you put it well, real life takes priority... Now with a better understanding if I am ever fortunate enough to either draft or purchase the type of player needed, I will directly contact one of the USA Team Managers...

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