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From: Astragoth

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Date: 1/19/2009 11:23:43 AM
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that is a brilliant idea :) but someone on this post already mentioned i think 3 times he started just such a list :)

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Date: 1/19/2009 11:27:26 AM
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I am sure you agree there are many players untrainable worthless or close to this. They dont warrant even a sale price off 100k but there are loads off examples out there. You want me to report these players?

Yes, report those you believe are overpriced. Better yet, if you have proof (such as player skills and transfer compares; remember that the high limit of transfer compare is over market value in many cases) to back up your view.

As has been said, transfers at market value are okay, whether we like certain strategies or not. Overpriced transfers are not okay and we can deal with them much quicker when we get help from users like yourself. It's not just the 1M transfer guy we're after, it's the 100k transfer guy as well.

From: Calum

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Date: 1/19/2009 2:09:36 PM
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damn! hehe. I guess it didn't work then.

From: CitB

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Date: 1/25/2009 3:38:02 AM
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From: Heathcoat

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68476.42 in reply to 68476.37
Date: 1/26/2009 1:18:39 AM
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Compared to the problem of day-trading, the problem of whining in a forum post is much easier to solve. Why......simply dont click on the forum link about day trading. Problem solved.

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Date: 1/23/2010 3:55:29 PM
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I don't really see a problem with day-trading.
1. We all have the ability to buy the player the first time he hits the market.
2. we all have the ability to not buy the player at an inflated price.
3. If i see a plyer I think is more than 20% under market value I want the chance to buy him and sell him
4. Most new players don't have the funds to influence the market usually buying and selling realatively inexpensive players.
5. It's a strategy don't sell the palyer for a couple of weeks and his salary can erode any profit.
6. Sometimes you buy a player on impulse and after further evaluation sell and luckly at a good profit.
7. As in the real world day traders can over-estimate the price of a player and lose money.




From: TnJay
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Date: 1/23/2010 6:25:05 PM
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I don't see a problem with it, if, you are looking threw the market and find a player that is selling for 1-10k and the player is worth 2-400k. Those are the only ones i do. if i know i can make a 100k profit in less than a week you better bet im gonna jump on it. that's my reward for playing the game and looking for better players day and night. i don't have much money but i can spot a value. and if i get the value and he doesn't fit my team it is my right to turn around and sell him, or cut him.

But with that said i don't think players shouldn't take advantage of others by selling cheap players at a high price. i had that happen to me the first few days i started playing. cost me my starting 300k, and set me way back. thats why i always search the market for good players that i can get cheap. ive found players ive bought for 1k and sold him for 204k six weeks later. and the player i bought for 300k i only 50k back for him. now if i spend 300k on a player he will be a 1-2million dollar player because i have studied and learned whats needed to get good players cheap, thats spending hours going the tl to find just the right players for your team and ones that you can get for a small price and make some extra money, its not my fault they sold them so low.

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Date: 1/23/2010 10:16:36 PM
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Hehe, I wrote that over a year ago. I had to re-read much of it just to remember, lol. I dot have a problem with day trading, I think I was refering more to the person who was complaining about what people were posting.

The game has taken adequate care to ensure day-trading is tricky enough to do well and turn a profit. I do what may be refered to as day trading (more like month-trading) with a little training to boost profit.

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Date: 1/25/2010 7:55:01 AM
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what about that a player have to have played 2 games for you that you can put him on the TL.
To put him again on the list he needs 2 more games and so on...

From: SplitJ
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Date: 1/25/2010 8:11:29 AM
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they have system set up to prevent day trading. lol

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68476.48 in reply to 68476.44
Date: 1/25/2010 1:21:52 PM
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find a player that is selling for 1-10k and the player is worth 2-400k.


now you REALY got to be VERY carefull with this.

Sooner rather then later you are going to hit a very hard wall, unless you already knew, are want to listen to what I will explain now:

There is no such thing as players who are worth 2-400k.

If you see a compare that says 2 to 400 k, the player is likely worth 2 to 10 k.

This is also probably the reason why you can buy him for 10k or less.

So why does it say to 400k then?
Because some cheater has bid 400k on such a player to make an other team rich. And by doing this has integrated the 400k value in the comparisson of the TL.

If someone sees this, the seller is in trouble.


Let me remind everyone that selling players above regular current TL-prices is not alowed.
Should anyone get a bid that is higher than what similar players on the market sell for at that time, he is obligated to report HIMSELF with the report cheaterlink (even though he is no cheater, and will also not be treated as a cheater! (unless he IS a cheater)

Not reporting this yourself will get you in trouble.

So if for example you buy a player for 10k (which is worth 2 to 10k compared to the other similar players that are sold around the same time), because his TL-compare says similar players have recently be sold between 2 and 400k, and then you put him on the TL for 300k and someone buys him (for instance because he doesn't know the TL prices because he is new), and you don't report this, you can expect trouble.
Even IF you get lucky enough to only get a warning and no fine, you will still get a pricecorrection for the sale, ending up with the normal value of the player anyway, so it's not worth the risk playing this tactic. It's not only not worth the risk, it's also not alowed.

You CAN however buy a player for a low price if you find one, and resell him at a regular price. Nothing wrong with that.

I just want to warn EVERYONE to be VERY carefull with the TL-compare, since it does NOT always resemble the truth about player's values. If there is a lot of space between the low number and the high, the high number mostly will be way to high, and the real value will probably be more towards the lower number.

players worth 100k to 150k or players worth 1100k to 1400k are prety trustworthy values.
players worth 50k to 700k or 250k to 1500k mostly are not. In this latter example the truth will be closer to 50k to 100k and 250k to 500k or so...

I hope this will help everyone to get a realistic look at the compare tool, and also about what they are alowed to do, and what they are obligated to report.

As always, I hope everyone will help us keep the game fair for everyone. So everyone can enjoy it, and keep enjoying it.


Last edited by Lord of Doom at 1/25/2010 1:25:01 PM

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