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IF you look back a few posts I said I would leave it up if you wanted to start a NEW thread for THIS SEASON of NT, and if then this one should be closed.

I can open new thread however my condition is the same - please don't write in this new topic. If not, then I don't want to create new place, where you can write all these flame and trolling posts.

how much IS each player had (you really need a database to pick the 12 best IS scores...reallY?????)

You don't know my opinion about IS and you don't know IS of NT players.

you lost horribly

So it means that Japan is losing horrible for many seasons because I don't see many victories in championships matches vs opponents from other continents. However previous coaches weren't asked for retire from their job.

B.B. King is right on this one. Im used to always seeing at least a rating > 12.5 for Yasujiro...when i see him at 11.5, i know that means he was out classes.

Weak ratings are normal and expected in this match. It was many seasons ago when Japan played in Repechages last time, so You could not know.
It is only competitive match in whole 28-weeks schedule when all players have default game shape = 7. In all other NT games GS is much better (8-9).

Simply put...the salaries on the nt are too small...only 5 salaries over 100k.

There is 6th 100k-ish player however he is SG, so it means he hasn't passing, however he has the best JR of all Japan players. Overall he is weaker than called players (all called guards are PG, I selected players with the best combination of OD+PS).
Here is full list of 36 Japan players with the best salary. 0 players over 200k, only 1 player over 150k, 6 players over 100k and even only 32 players over 50k. I checked all Japan players with salary over 8k and amount of players who can play in NT is very small. And players with worse salary aren't well rounded, so even if I would want to call C with 30k salary and great OD+PS, it's impossible, because they don't exist.

 #.  LINK	AG  PO  BP	SALARY	 NAME
 1. (9632079)	31   9  PF	185 713	 Furusawa
 2. (9632142)	31   9  PG	123 587	 Tagawa
 3. (12180094)	29   8  PG	114 438	 Eguchi
 4. (12180136)	29  10  PG	113 676	 Fujii
 5. (6927944)	33   8  SG	111 258	 Okita
 6. (12180073)	29   7  C	107 831	 Hayakawa
 7. (18297154)	25   8  C	 98 578	 Takayama
 8. (21305788)	23   9  C	 91 387	 Matsumoto
 9. (14003048)	28   8  C	 89 525	 Sonoda
10. (21305663)	23   8  PG	 88 868	 Kawagichi
11. (16975268)	26   8  SG	 87 695	 Saiki
12. (16975286)	26   9  PG	 87 539	 Honda
13. (11001986)	30   9  SG	 85 765	 Ochi
14. (9632182)	31  10  SG	 84 249	 Aida
15. (13597232)	28   8  PG	 79 013	 Ueda
16. (8205619)	32   8  PG	 73 842	 Suenami
17. (4834329)	35   7  C	 70 897	 Kouzuki
18. (19825173)	24  10  C	 70 051	 Yasujiro
19. (9632159)	31   7  PG	 66 570	 Kanagaki
20. (18297126)	25   8  SG	 65 976	 Yokotami
21. (8205684)	33   9  SG	 65 114	 Hojo
22. (11002005)	30   6  C	 62 540	 Takizawa
23. (16975227)	26   6  PF	 61 815	 Shibukji
24. (9632171)	31   7  PG	 60 775	 Hara
25. (15030531)	27   7  SG	 60 410	 Umari
26. (21305594)	23  10  PG	 60 404	 Amori
27. (19990551)	25   9  SG	 56 704	 Asada
28. (16975188)	26   7  PG	 53 533	 Okada
29. (15030544)	27   7  SG	 51 698	 Matsumura
30. (21305793)	23   9  PF	 50 963	 Wakatsuki
31. (21682903)	24   8  PG	 50 453	 Akashi
32. (12180123)	30  10  C	 50 444	 Ochi
33. (11002133)	31   7  SF	 49 492	 Oishi
34. (20314475)	25   9  PF	 48 473	 Asano
35. (16975235)	27   9  SG	 47 989	 Honda
36. (16975255)	26  10  SG	 47 797	 Mizuno

I KNOW there are big men with +5 better OD than the ones we are using but they are not even on the team.

Where?
This is list of all the best bigs out of NT roster:

Shibukji - allstar potential
Sonoda - faaaaaaaaar from OD 5+ ;-)
Wakatsuki - OD = 1
Motoori - quite good, however salary only 40k, too weak.
Kouzuki - yep, he has OD>=5. However he is 35yo, and every Friday he can drop by few levels.
Takizawa - OD = 1, allstar potential
Kishita - if trains can be good in future, now he has salary = 35k.
Suenami - great OD. 35yo, 36k.

All other bigs aren't even worth to say one word about them at this moment (of course few young players could be in NT in future).

In fact, there is only one big on NT level in Japan. It's Furusawa. And he was created in USA in NBBA team, then he played in Sharman. He is 31yo and in next cadency his skills will start to drop. There are few other bigs who are on U21 level. However he wouldn't be sure to play in U21 European Championships final.

So it means that in previous over than dozen seasons even ONE SINGLE good big Japan player weren't created.

However it's very easy. All is needed to play now in Japan NT is:
OD = 6
PS = 4
IS+ID+RB = 45.

And this player is sure to play in NT. Only 4 seasons training is needed.

In last draft was one good player - 18yo, MVP, OD=5, PS=6, TSP=45, 216cm. Quite good skills contribution, RB=1 isn't problem with this height, he should pop 3 times for every 4 RB trainings. He don't even need training out of position. However he was sold to Macau with price = 250k...

I can't help You if You don't want to help Yourself.

Anyway Japan is a challenge to make the best of, to turnaround and blame the community. not a good route.

Look as I might, I still can't see where he's done that. Sure, he's stated that the players aren't there, and that some have not been well-trained... but this is mere statement of fact.
Please don't twist it merely because you have your own barrow to push.

My thought on NTs within Japan is that we are going to have to be innovative. Creative. We are going to have to roll the dice on trying something different.

We are a small nation, with only a few trainers (most within the JBBL) willing to spend the money to train elite homegrown talent.
That means that for the foreseeable future, we are going to have a small talent pool to draw on. We simply won't have the players to compete on the world stage, as we don't have the population of players.
I think we need to go away from building teams in a similar vein to other nations, and focus entirely on something new.

It could fall flat on it's face, but I'd be interested in focusing on new skills - skills which normally fall outside the parameters of what's normally done within an NT.

On a very basic level, when I was coach of the Welsh U21 team (10 active members when I was there, only 3-4 actually *active* on the level that a national team/U21 manager wants!), we had some success focusing on Driving as something we wanted all players to have, beyond what the team manager would normally try. Now, we didn't win a whole lotta games, but the team enjoyed success beyond that which it normally did.
Of course... that's a pretty basic example, but it interests me. And it's what I think we should be doing on an NT level here in Japan (both U21 and the big boys)... we're not going to compete with bigger nations otherwise.

It's an interesting thought.
Getting the 2-3 to work would be a worthy goal to me, and since I know some of the builds of our younger guys...with insite we coudl make the 2-3 work for us....we will need a lot of OD though.....in a 2-3 against Canada I am sure we lose by more with the players that we used.

The reality is that we're never going to go toe-to-toe with the bigger nations (or even middle-sized nations) using the same tactics as they do. Got to get an edge somewhere else, and work on that.
And a lot of the bigs currently being trained are managed by owners who have a desire to have a more 'well-rounded' player than the traditional PF/Cs for NTs.
Hell... if a motivated NT manager decided that we were going to go hell for leather on a 2-3 program and have s**tloads of SB (over ID perhaps?)? I'd go for that.