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Actually it's not easier to train SF's, on the future i'll have a problem due to his level of SB so i'll have to care a lot about what inside traininings i'm doing if i don't want to have a +150k SF or ''PF'' player -.-'

If You have player who is PF and who has salary = 100k, then two full levels of SB increase salary to 113k. It shouldn't be big problem and it shouldn't destroy economy of club.
And real increase should be less than 13k. First reason - because it looks for me impossible to get extra two full levels of SB thanks cross training. Very often even related skills are trained slower. Second reason - because if default possition is different than PF (and C, but it doesn't matter), then pop in SB is almost free in salary. So Your player is better and his salary is practically the same.

This raise can change the position of my SF and turn it to a PF on the future.

Maybe you are giving too much importance to the position in upper right corner of your player. This position is assigned by game engine (GE) and is important for new players so they know where to put such players when setting their lineup. It doesn't mean his salary will be greater if he is a PF rather than SF or that he will train slower in outside skills if he's not a SF. You can totally ignore what he turns into. If you take a C and train him enough in Passing and Outside defense, he will inevitably become a Point Guard. Does that mean he's a Point guard now? No, it just means he's a C who can pass and defend outside shots well, but GE still assigns a "PG" to his position.

Anyway, i understand you don't get my pov if you haven't trained such kind of players.

If you understand how assigning a position by game engine and salary works, you didn't have to train such players to see that actually you are the one who doesn't fully understand these things.

Take for example this player:

Jump Shot: prominent Jump Range: strong
Outside Def.: sensational Handling: wondrous
Driving: wondrous Passing: inept
Inside Shot: marvelous Inside Def.: wondrous
Rebounding: sensational Shot Blocking: sensational

Game engine will tell you this is a Center. But from my point of view, this is a great inside SF (that you shouldn't play in highest league because it doesn't have enough OD) or great PF in general that lacks a bit of PA.

PS: And this 0,03 it's just your guess because it could be a 0,5 without problems.

It can't. Since 0,5 would be 10% (cross-training rules), you would have five pops in SB from one week. But since double pops are for now just rumours, let's say no skill can increase for more than 0,67. That makes your cross training "pop" worth no more than 0,06.

Hope you understood our pov.

This raise can change the position of my SF and turn it to a PF on the future.

Maybe you are giving too much importance to the position in upper right corner of your player. This position is assigned by game engine (GE) and is important for new players so they know where to put such players when setting their lineup. It doesn't mean his salary will be greater if he is a PF rather than SF or that he will train slower in outside skills if he's not a SF. You can totally ignore what he turns into. If you take a C and train him enough in Passing and Outside defense, he will inevitably become a Point Guard. Does that mean he's a Point guard now? No, it just means he's a C who can pass and defend outside shots well, but GE still assigns a "PG" to his position.

Are you sure that 1 level more of IS it's the same price on a SF or PF??

Last edited by Marot at 9/30/2011 3:20:22 PM

Well, the way salaries are calculated your player is always listed at the positon where he could "net the most money". Still, a "45k SF" doesn´t turn into a "87k PF" overnight, because his skills would have made him a PF way before.

So it´s really a "45k SF" / "46k PF" thingy.

This raise can change the position of my SF and turn it to a PF on the future.

Maybe you are giving too much importance to the position in upper right corner of your player. This position is assigned by game engine (GE) and is important for new players so they know where to put such players when setting their lineup. It doesn't mean his salary will be greater if he is a PF rather than SF or that he will train slower in outside skills if he's not a SF. You can totally ignore what he turns into. If you take a C and train him enough in Passing and Outside defense, he will inevitably become a Point Guard. Does that mean he's a Point guard now? No, it just means he's a C who can pass and defend outside shots well, but GE still assigns a "PG" to his position.

Are you sure that 1 level more of IS it's the same price on a SF or PF??

then you shouldn't train IS, when you like to keep him SF ;)

This raise can change the position of my SF and turn it to a PF on the future.

Maybe you are giving too much importance to the position in upper right corner of your player. This position is assigned by game engine (GE) and is important for new players so they know where to put such players when setting their lineup. It doesn't mean his salary will be greater if he is a PF rather than SF or that he will train slower in outside skills if he's not a SF. You can totally ignore what he turns into. If you take a C and train him enough in Passing and Outside defense, he will inevitably become a Point Guard. Does that mean he's a Point guard now? No, it just means he's a C who can pass and defend outside shots well, but GE still assigns a "PG" to his position.

Are you sure that 1 level more of IS it's the same price on a SF or PF??

then you shouldn't train IS, when you like to keep him SF ;)

That's the point, i'll have to stop training inside skills if it changes to PF position just because 1 unexpected level of SB.

That's the point, i'll have to stop training inside skills if it changes to PF position just because 1 unexpected level of SB.

Why? If SF has salary = ~100k and if this pop of SB changes position to PF, and then if player receives one full level of SB, then his salary will be by ~6k higher (~106k). Is it so big problem? It's less than reduction of salary every season in BB ;-)
And please keep in mind that if player changes position to PF then next training of JR or OD will be for free ;-)

This raise can change the position of my SF and turn it to a PF on the future.

Maybe you are giving too much importance to the position in upper right corner of your player. This position is assigned by game engine (GE) and is important for new players so they know where to put such players when setting their lineup. It doesn't mean his salary will be greater if he is a PF rather than SF or that he will train slower in outside skills if he's not a SF. You can totally ignore what he turns into. If you take a C and train him enough in Passing and Outside defense, he will inevitably become a Point Guard. Does that mean he's a Point guard now? No, it just means he's a C who can pass and defend outside shots well, but GE still assigns a "PG" to his position.

Are you sure that 1 level more of IS it's the same price on a SF or PF??

then you shouldn't train IS, when you like to keep him SF ;)

That's the point, i'll have to stop training inside skills if it changes to PF position just because 1 unexpected level of SB.

not really ;)

The secondary SB training makes you around 50$ difference in salary so you 75.500$ SF will be if it switch a 75.599$ PF. If you train both players one weak in IS you probadly get a 76.500$ PF or a 76.549$ PF. So the difference would be still the same, and really really small so if those 50 bucks will kill, i like to see your data to approave it.(yes both salary increase are calculated very high)

Second point is, when those training wasn't reduced from the main skill, and go to the relativ low SB skill the salry would be even higher - so you should praise the BB that they avoid your bancrupcy even longer even when you are still 50$ over your payroll.

Don't forget that sublevels also count to the suggested positions.

My ex player (5300909) popped 34 yo rebounding :)