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wasnt utopia created for those who wanted more competion and so on. And why bring this post just right after everybody has paid for a new round of utopia.
Anyway Im against ending the micro nations, and for me it would be the end of my 26 season buzzerbeater career no doubt. I would rather see some more effort to promote the game instead.

8. The drafts could continue as they do now, making it easy for Marin to put better players in the draft and have it apply to everyone evenly.

If they do this then it will basically kill their national teams. Say there is a league made of 4 Scots, 6 Welsh and 6 Irish. The Scots all do well and finish in the top 4 then they will have the last 4 picks in the draft. So the the Welsh and Irish get the best picks while Scotland get the leftovers. If this happens for a couple seasons then the Scottish national team could will be effectively dead.

Edit Perpete:
Corrected the missed quote.

You have a much higher opinion of the draft than I do. Do you really think that success in B3 depends on a low finish in the regular league in order to get an early draft pick? That isn't how it works now.

You are still thinking in terms of merged nations. That is not the nature of the proposal(s) I have seen that meet the standards I described.

If they do this then it will basically kill their national teams. Say there is a league made of 4 Scots, 6 Welsh and 6 Irish. The Scots all do well and finish in the top 4 then they will have the last 4 picks in the draft. So the the Welsh and Irish get the best picks while Scotland get the leftovers. If this happens for a couple seasons then the Scottish national team could will be effectively dead.

Good point. That's why we have to consider having joint national teams (but with their original flags presented).

NTs in their current form, i think, not only for the reasons you mention, will probably suffer.

With joint league NTs:
In your example it would be NTs with Welsh, Irish and Scottish players. The possibility of getting late picks if there are only 4 players from Scotland, and all of them finish on top is present, but that does not necessarily mean that you don't get to have players on the NT. 6 Welsh and 6 Irish managers training 2 players each would still only be 12 players, some young for the U21, and som older for the NTs. If the 4 Scottish teams finish on top of the league every season you might start to see less Scottish players on the NTs. But I think you are blowing things up, and maybe underestimating your opponents.

I had another stance on this subject, but I see the implications. For the communities sake, I would like to see the original flags in league, and a new flag displayed only on the U21/NT page and when looking at the national team roster (going to the original player page would display original country flag, but mention that they are playing in the groups NT).

I'd love to do something like that, but as you can see, several of the micro-nations are already putting up a lot of resistance to any potential change. Can you imagine the backlash if this was done on a larger scale?

It doesn't seem to matter to a significant portion of people that a change would improve the game. They're happy with the little niche they've carved out.

After reading most of the posts...I think a lot of people are in favor and also a lot of people are against a merge. In the end it will be BB's decision....you cannot satisfy everybody, but always keep in mind that every step you take, will bring enormous changes to the game.

Until now I have a lot of question marks how you will handle the merge.....
1) will you take away money from the teams....
2) will they have to sell their best players if they are going down from DI to DIII...
3) will you make a complete restart????
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I think it would be a good idea of letting people know the scenario more in detail.....just asking are you for or against something with no details is too easy....nobody really knows exactly what he or she is against or in favor...

Last edited by mdex at 4/13/2016 3:16:58 PM

Seems like I hit a nerve there ...

:D

Well isn't the point of merging as you say is to improve BB ?

I'm just saying that there are other ways you can achieve that.

Also, many of the same managers are here saying repeatedly that they would like a merge. Seems hypocritical that you are fine with them saying the same thing, because of course they share your opinion, but get mad when I do so.

We're all just trying to be heard and it seems like people are just ignoring the against comments, and then going on discussing the ideas of those who are in favor !

I am in favor of merging. Not just micros, but all nations. My full proposal is here (278372.1). If not deemed the best idea, hopefully it either opens others up to the idea of merging, or it inspires someone to come up with a better idea for merging all nations.

newcomer usually will moan about this after 2-3 seasons of playing. and why it is a problem to afford 10 bucks per year?

Some people are fortunate enough to live in countries where $10 USD is pocket change for them. For many other people in the world $10 USD is a significant amount of money to spend on something like a text-based manager game. It's unreasonable to tell them to spend money they might not have in order to play with more competition.

I see. These people should be those few that are happy enough and won't mind playing with current BB system, unlike those above that bragged too much until bringing politic and race into the place. I believe they should be rich.

It is not a problem, rather a luxury. If you want to support BB, or want to get some additional features you can pay. Otherwise this is a FREE game.

Agree. These casual users that can't afford tend not to demand that much, at least won't be dying on desperation to play on competitive league...

... We're all just trying to be heard and it seems like people are just ignoring the against comments, and then going on discussing the ideas of those who are in favor !

Not exactly. People are stating their personal preference regardless of what is good for BB as a whole, and ignoring posts that try to examine the merits to BB.

First, thank you for the objections. Second, this will be my last post at the moment in this thread.

Some web traffic will be bots, but some will be people that play another game similar to this, and are looking for other viable options to help them pass the time.

I think this is already a *natural* process without any ads or using SEO/SEA to show up on top of a search list. I guess each of us have done this. I frequently search for online manager games (in a game I’m interested in the managing part, to win games is more a side effect). I’m playing two other games (rugby, soccer). As mentioned, I worked in the design/web/IT field and get more people playing by doing SEO/SEA well, is minimal for such a specific game. To help increasing user in micro-nations (f.ex. native Japanese in Japan) you have to make a *Bling-Bling* Website, add some free cool features and most important… Create an shiny APP which runs on any device properly. In Japan almost nobody is using a computer, they are all stucked to their smartphones 24/7. Can’t speak for other countries, but probably even there people are using a smartphone instead of a home pc. I’m an old-fashioned guy, I prefer hanging in front of my mac and *managing* things in BB. But having an APP will bring more user into the game, IMHO. As long as the website is like it is now, from the business point of view, a merger of nations is the only option to get more competition, to make it more interesting, to get more user which buying the supporter pack then.

If there are groups for the u21/nt purpose, my warning would simply be that forcing groups like this wont make someone who didn't want to develop for the u21/nt pride before suddenly want to. Some people play it for the clubs.

I don’t think people will change their way of playing this game after a merger of micro-nations. Until now, someone’s only goal is getting the crown, someone’s is only having national players in the team, someone’s only training NT players and so on. I don’t think user are changing their way of playing the game radically. There might be a slight shift to an abandonent NT, but then hopefully the community of a country within the mixed leagues will stuck together and try to find a way how to push the NT besides play it for the clubs.

I would think the cup would actually be the ideal test run, but if people are clamoring for more challange in the league, then it probably would reduce the ease of reaching the finals in the smallest of micro's, which would improve finances just as much as a drop in T.V. revenue or other financial restrictions, so it could improve the health of the game.

There will be always unforseen things going to happen after a merger, especially when it comes to the financial thing. It’s in the nature of mankind, that one will always (more or less) accept a certain situation, be it in real life or here in the game. Here I trust the BB developers, that they will react on things if necessary. For sure, some user will leave, but this game is a cool thing, even for a non-basketball-affinato like me. Those who like it, will keep on playing. And the more competition it offers, the more will keep playing it. And this is the starting point… Keep as much user as possible, then start to elaborate how to get more user. That won’t be done in a few season, especially when the whole internet jungle is filled with crap and you must be the one who shines. If you keep the game as it is at the moment, there will be no progress. That’s why I support strongly every step towards a more interesting game. Do the merger…