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From: Pallu

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Date: 11/21/2009 9:06:07 AM
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Some data (you know it already...) for discussion:

take a look at my team stat pge and sort it by FG. You will find Utrera, Salvato and Pikoulas having the best FG% (ignoring Dzadzovski with only two games so far). They are all inside players - at least when they play.

Utrera is best in FG%. He has IS13, JS7, DR4, H7. He takes a shot every 3,1 minutes.

Salvato is 2nd best. He has IS+JS 11, DR+H 5. He takes a shot every 2,7 minutes.

Pikoulas (you know him well) has nice skills but he plays NT, so I shouldn't spread them. He has IS and JS well devellopped He should be thee best scorer but isn't. He has lower DR and H. He takes a shot every 2,7 minutes.

Pikoulas high shooting frequency would make driving irrelevant. But I think he receives a lot of passes... His low FG% is not explained by that. Salvato has the advantage of (more often) play as SF than PF and he often is a substitute (good stamina).

Utreras low shooting frequency is best explained by his experience. He takes the better shots and is rewarded in terms of FG%.

Last edited by Pallu at 11/21/2009 9:06:42 AM

From: JohnnyB

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You are the reason that i started that study Pallu. Now i will try to get more data from ppl like TheCippis who is also using inside tactics, and some more friends. Did u read my email? what u think?

From: Pallu

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You are the reason that i started that study Pallu.


Oh.

And by chance you have caught my attention... ;-)

Did u read my email? what u think?


Of course I did. I need to think. I am not as clever as you might assume.


Last edited by Pallu at 11/21/2009 10:27:35 AM

From: Pallu

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Date: 11/21/2009 10:41:00 AM
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I am not a terribly talented analyst of the engine. My team is rather driven by instinct - and me threatening them to play well...

I am a little conservative about too high driving. These DR12/HA10 monsters look nice but I sure think they are overrated. You definetely need DR for increasing your shots. And a solid base of any skill is certainly key to a good player. I think 5-8 is fine.

Let's look at passing. Passing as well in my eyes must have an impact on shots taken and FG%. A good passer has an alternative to taking a shot. He can pass instead of shooting when his estimation of a shot opportunity goes too low. One who cannot pass must take every shot.

Conclusion from that (Passing) (example): A player who would usually take 20 shots with a FG% 50 will take 10 additional shots he wouldn't take if he could pass. He scores only 20% of these additional 10.

This will lead to 12/30 (made/attempted) instead of 10/20. Very simplistic and with dull numbers but something I could understand.

Last edited by Pallu at 11/21/2009 10:42:19 AM

From: JohnnyB

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Thats exactly my conclusion. Thats why i was whining that we cant train our C's passing. Also i agree that DR at least is way over rated, especially to my Greek friends

From: Pallu

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Date: 11/21/2009 10:49:38 AM
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Thats exactly my conclusion.


Glad to hear that.

Overall I think that 20-25% of training efforts should go to strengthening secondaries. Coming back to my best FG% player (#1 in all Germany II. division level): he is nowhere near in wage to the best players of competing teams. But being a Centre he has an average of 5 in Big Men Skills.

Edit: traing or buying secondaries works. My Trainees have usually balanced skills at 18.

Last edited by Pallu at 11/21/2009 10:51:25 AM

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Date: 11/21/2009 11:37:29 AM
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The problem is, that C with very high IS and low DR will have like 100% from the field, but in majority it will be like max. 10/10 as he won't be able to make the right opportunities for himself and he will rely on his teammates passes. With better DR (or HA as JosefKa states in his thread) he will have far more attempts.

From: Pallu

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Date: 11/21/2009 12:10:46 PM
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... it will be like max. 10/10 ...


What do you mean?

From: PunkFloid

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Date: 11/21/2009 12:47:51 PM
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10 shots made out of 10 attempts

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Date: 11/21/2009 1:25:19 PM
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Well me and Pallu we have tried to see how many shots per minute our big men are getting, and looks like that DR it doesnt have anything to do with that. Actually we saw that our players with higher JS and XP, they where shooting more per min than those with higher DR. As i said b4, our sample is very small, and we want to investigate it more

From: Pallu

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Date: 11/21/2009 1:45:33 PM
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10 shots made out of 10 attempts



Thank you, I get it now.

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