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Final of spanish cup, another example about how the teams are more influenced by their economy than winning games/championships.

IB Gayers Club won the cup last season(he said he lost money last season) and this current season he decided to sell 3/4 of his team before play-off and even if he was on the final he didn't want to waste his money and decided to keep it for next seasons.

There will be different opinions, but at the end it shows that lot of managers are more worried/influenced for their economy than anything.

I invite all of you to suggest different formulas about the incomes in play-off, i'm pretty sure that we can suggest to the BB's a good change to stop encouraging the teams to lose matchs&earn money.

* Attendance money of PO-games should be divided 50-50
* All the PO-teams should get monetary PO-bonus

Make the attendance money of PO-games to be divided 50-50 between the teams. This way those one or two PO-weeks would be normal weeks (money-wise as you basically get two half-game income) for the teams that win the first PO-game.

Make all the PO-teams get some sort of a PO-bonus, which would be about 0.5-1 * homegameattendance. That way the playoffs would be money-wise also the same as normal week for those who exit in the first round. Those who win some PO-games would get little extra. The PO-bonus could be the same for all PO-teams to prevent the 1st placed team (who also enters Finals) to get too much money.

* Attendance money of PO-games should be divided 50-50
* All the PO-teams should get monetary PO-bonus

Well from my point of view, if you make it 50-50 it doesn't change a lot. Imagine a team was close to the first position but decides to make a stand by and ends on the 4th position. Instead of receiving the 1/3 of the income, he sees how he receives more than he should(and ofc gives up the match).

I wouldn't change the distributed %, since the team that had HCA deserve to win more income at their home, but yes introducing an aditionally bonus like we have on cup.

-This prize should be for example the 100% or a high %of the income game(for advacing of round), high enough revenue to encourage the teams to win the game. I wouldn't apply this prize to a team that saved from demoting since not going down it's a good enough.


Apart from having a prize for advancing of round in play-off i suggest to give a prize to the 8 teams that made play-off so the 3rd&4th position are well paid too.

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We always feared to have unbalanced leagues by giving bonus to the teams that had good results and high wages with the excuse that they would be always the same teams on the high positions.

In most of the cases the top teams are always the same, but we are subsidizing the team ending on the 5th position and underrating the 3erd&4th position.

And what is worst, by allowing the teams to tank(first division 400k x week) they demote, promote in 1 season and then again the system subsidizes that team by giving him the bonus of the promotion and this team is able to finish in play-off and in 1-2 seasons win a title thanks to all the way he tanked.

((25843) example in Spain)

And in div II there are more examples from teams tanking and going to Div III and then coming back to Div II or being able to promote to DivI since they made lot of money.



Because we haven't an accurate system of play-off incomes that encourages the teams to find different strategies to win money and tanking is high unhealthy for the competition.

That is not long term strategy, it just manipulates the competition, making it boring and predictable


It's time to change the system and reward the teams for the money they deserved.


PS: Lot of managers are upset for this kind of situations, the changes are easy to introduce, so we can't be waiting more than 2 seasons to see a change in this area.




Last edited by Marot at 2/21/2012 11:23:06 AM

* Attendance money of PO-games should be divided 50-50
* All the PO-teams should get monetary PO-bonus

Well from my point of view, if you make it 50-50 it doesn't change a lot. Imagine a team was close to the first position but decides to make a stand by and ends on the 4th position. Instead of receiving the 1/3 of the income, he sees how he receives more than he should(and ofc gives up the match).

I think it changes quite a lot, if the problem is especially ending 5th in the table rather than 3rd or 4th. With the play-off bonus described below you would be guaranteed to get at least the money that corresponds to about one home game you would have.

-This prize should be for example the 100% or a high %of the income game(for advacing of round), high enough revenue to encourage the teams to win the game. I wouldn't apply this prize to a team that saved from demoting since not going down it's a good enough.

There is already a reward for advancing a round - the income of the following PO game. I don't think there's anymore need for another monetary prize about winning a game.

Apart from having a prize for advancing of round in play-off i suggest to give a prize to the 8 teams that made play-off so the 3rd&4th position are well paid too.

Yep, and that should probably correspond to something from 50 % to absolutely maximum of 100 % of a home game income.


Of course you could twist numbers so that home team would get more income and the PO-bonus would be bigger for all teams (to make it enough better to end up 4th than 5th), but imo that way the winners would get too much money and could more easily "dominate" also the following season.

I can't see why is there so much debate. Someone have already mentioned a very simple solution - if you didn't pay salary then no TV money during PO/off-season. Making 5th less desirable is effectively same as making 3rd/4th more attractive. It's so simple really. I don't understand why BB still haven't implemented this.

Regarding to the new news i encourage the BB's, to make a change against tanking as soon as posible.

I dunno how it will be done, but i hope the results of this season are taken in count, we can't wait more time having 1/3 of the teams focussed on tanking or thinking to tank before play-off.


edit: It would be nice the BB's share with the community some of their ideas about what could be done to have a better competition.


Last edited by Marot at 5/26/2012 4:52:12 PM