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324656.39 in reply to 324656.38
Date: 8/27/2024 11:18:26 AM
Spicy Sparks
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The recent discussion about some users in the forum has come to my attention.

I have politely asked Alonso to remove any Nazi references related to the mentioned player. Even if it was intended as a joke, it was inappropriate, and we strongly condemn any reference to Nazism.

We acknowledge the importance of educating future generations about World War II, the atrocities, crimes against humanity, and the Holocaust.

I want to emphasize that politics are ABSOLUTELY not allowed in BB. This is one of the first rules of the forum. We will not allow the BB Forums to become a place to attack any country, make accusations against any country or manager, or target any specific race or religion. BB is a basketball manager game, and there is no room for such behavior.

We are here because we enjoy basketball and management games, which have nothing to do with politics.

We will sanction those who disrupt the gaming experience for others, and I fully support any GM who takes action against such managers.

BuzzerBeater should be a game that unites people, not divides them.

Regarding Alonso's role: since I joined BB, he has approached me and helped me understand certain issues, primarily technical ones. He has also reported the current status of the game to me and made official announcements after receiving my approval.

We are currently very busy with the game's conversion, so we do not have the time to focus on all the day-to-day operations, which are handled by EGM, GMs, BB-Marin, and BB-Justin.

If we had to focus on these daily operations, we would have to pause the game's conversion and improvement, which would be detrimental to everyone.

I receive a lot of BB-mails and Discord DMs daily, and with all the work we have to do, it is nearly impossible to handle them. Most of these messages are game-related debates that should be addressed directly to the GMs, and I often lack the context to make the right decisions.

I hope this clarifies the matter once and for all. I wish everyone continues to enjoy BB for what it is—a wonderful basketball game that has entertained us for many years and will hopefully do so for many more to come!

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324656.41 in reply to 324656.40
Date: 8/28/2024 12:24:29 PM
Súria Lakers
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Since this thread is still open (although it was closed before BB-Marco's response), I allow myself the right to post the same message that I wrote in Discord, since the topic has continued there.

Discord is a great tool, but I think all clarifications should be made here.




Hello everyone!

I've exposed my thoughts several times by now, but let me write my (I hope last) POV on this topic...
It is not a secret that I'm not a fan of Alonso from a long time ago but everything I said and everything I'll say has nothing to do with it.

1) I can understand that the player's nickname was just a poorly placed "joke" for some people. Especially after adding the number 88, which for me went from being a "joke" to being a "Nazi apology."
It is something that any other user could have done, which if seen by someone else and reported, would have received at least a warning from the GM.
I know this 100% since it is something that has happened before.

2) Waiting a few days without saying anything in the Forum despite being one of the most active managers there, to end up changing the name and translating it into Hebrew, was, for me, the most unjustifiable part of the situation.
Alonso was aware that what he had done was bothering (and exceeding the limits of the rules) several managers, and yet he decided to PROVOKE with the change to Hebrew.

The extremely worst thing about all this is that he is part of the BB-team and no one from it wrote in 4 days. Possibly the other GMs and BBs were ashamed of him

3) What is this supposed to be about having a manager who can decide which prefix to use? Until a few weeks ago he was "CM" (and oh, surprise, according to what a person from within the BB-team told me, he did not do Communiy Manager tasks).
After a discussion in the Forum, the prefix was removed and became Alonso, but he still had GM powers.
And now what? There have been people complaining about the lack of transparency in the game, so he or Marco have decided to put the "GM" prefix back on him. Ridiculous.
4) Speaking of GMs... I don't know any other GM (aside from those who cheated and were banned) who have had so many complaints from different managers and communities about the way he speak and treats at others and the impunity he has, over so many years.

In the game hierarchy, "BB" are above "GM", right? Why hasn't anyone acted yet?

I said it once and I will say it again: I would not have someone in my company who is always causing problems with my clients.

5) I think BB-Marco has to act in some way and there is a lot of work ahead:

I have read a message from you saying that Alonso is the only manager who had offered you help; Is that why he already has total impunity?

Sure thing, the point is that we need more active ones since no one apart from Alonso approached me offering help
- via Discord.

In another message you say that you want to have more GMs. Has anyone told you about a project that the previous owners created? They made an email where managers could offer themselves for any position, explaining their motivations. Maybe you could recover several interesting managers from there even if years have passed.

After what you have seen (and believe me, you have seen little) from Alonso, do you still have the strength to add the GM prefix to him again and defend him?

6) I completely disagree with banning Alonso from the game, as I think that is a completely excessive measure.

Nevertheless, I do think Alonso should be punished in some way; not only because of this case, which has been the tip of the iceberg, but because of his way of acting. We could possibly make a very long post about all the times he has provoked other communities, and that, for someone who represents the game, is something that gives a very bad impression.

Marco, this is now your business and as such, you want it to be successful; Don't let someone like him affect part of your income.

PKT desde la Temporada 4



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324656.42 in reply to 324656.41
Date: 8/28/2024 12:28:34 PM
Súria Lakers
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One last thing...
We are still waiting for Alonso's apology, even if they are without real intention.

PKT desde la Temporada 4



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324656.43 in reply to 324656.41
Date: 8/28/2024 1:13:23 PM
Slamador Retrievers
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Thank you, it was very frustrating to see a half-baked statement that did not address the real issue and have the conversation immediately censored from the forums. (Specially when the person we are talking about is a part of the moderation team)

This is the place for discussion you know... the game. Having to create an account with a third party service should not be a requirement to express our thoughts, as it excludes a big part of the community.

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324656.44 in reply to 324656.43
Date: 8/28/2024 4:02:35 PM
NakamichiDragons
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It's embarrassing.

Topic closed, topic opened, a few messages, topic renamed to "closed", the last few messages deleted and topic closed again, now topic reopened and old thread title and the messages back ...


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324656.47 in reply to 324656.39
Date: 8/28/2024 9:15:31 PM
El Garito
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My supporter has ended, after more than 10 years with the supporter I have made the decision NOT to RENEW, not because I lack the money or because I no longer see the use for it, but because I see the direction in which this beloved game is going.

I see what kind of people act on behalf of others without really knowing their role and ultimately a cheap excuse behind a painful speech without any apology from a shameful Alonso who once again with his message demonstrates the contempt he has for the community of ' BB' and each of its regions.

I'm sorry and I repeat after more than 10 years I WILL NOT RENEW my support until this member is put in the right place and the penalty is made public as it should be.

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324656.48 in reply to 324656.47
Date: 8/29/2024 1:33:37 AM
Warriors of Berlin
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I agree with you guys that he made BIG mistake!Even no jokes are acceptable!
I'm originally Greek and Hitler attacked my country also!!BUT Alonso said he is not supporting Nazism!!!He understood his mistake!
Can you end this topic as civilized people?????

Do you all know about history very well???If yes then you must know that MACEDONIA IS GREEK!!How is possible other country has this name??? Skopje or FYROM MUST BE!!
Did you fight about this like now??????
NO YOU DIDNT!!!

SO stop about POLITICS in this game!Find other place to do it.
Here we are enjoying the game and NOT trying to destroy it!

Chill,have fun!

PS:1st and last comment from me about this topic.Dont wait reply




Last edited by Don_Antonio at 8/29/2024 1:35:06 AM

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324656.49 in reply to 324656.48
Date: 8/29/2024 3:53:17 PM
Pupazzia
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I think nobody really cares about nazism and hitler in this thread.
Those who wants apologies or sanctions just want to use this opportunity for reasons of personal dislike with Alonso. Obviously if many users are not happy with Alonso there may be a reason and perhaps his role in the staff needs to be reconsidered. But people who use this excuse to attack him are hardly justifiable.

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