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75076.39 in reply to 75076.35
Date: 2/26/2009 10:16:07 AM
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Post the stats of the PF sa transfer thread, find a buyer who will train the PF, tapos they can talk about how much ung minimum price, and what day and time itransfer.

Timing is important kc merong time na onti ung online users, so less kalaban sa bids, and to make sure that the buyer is online at that time.


So paano na yung kawawang manager? Mahina pa rin ang inside game nya.

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75076.40 in reply to 75076.39
Date: 2/26/2009 10:25:34 AM
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Why?

Look, if he has an 18 year old player na multiskill, he can sell it for potentially a million. This is an 18 year old with respectable skills at most. With that money that he gets for selling a player he can buy a slightly older player, like 19-20 with proficient- prominent inside skills for the same price.

The manager with the young guards can still continue training them, will get a stronger frontcourt player, his draftee could potentially end up in the u 21 as well, and buyer gets a trainee.

Win-win for both managers and the NT.

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75076.41 in reply to 75076.40
Date: 2/26/2009 11:41:54 AM
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Good. Ü

That's what I wanted to hear but I still want the candidates to practice what they preach. We are looking for managers who will be dedicated in training those with potentials. Why not start with yourselves? If JSmoove says we just need 10 managers, 9 na lang kasi I would assume na he would be one of them. The same with Katcha, Aldo and Norman. And me I guess.

Your thoughts candidates?


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75076.42 in reply to 75076.41
Date: 2/26/2009 12:08:09 PM
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It depends on the situation Devs...

If you're gonna ask me whether if I focus train one position... that would be no problem for the NT, but it would be a problem for the system that i program on my club team.

The difference between sa club and sa NT, sa NT, you pick the best filipino players then compete with the best talent from the other country, while at the same time make them better without disrupting any program. And the good thing about NT players is that the training is focused solely on them.

Wherein, in the club teams, the training is solely focused on the team. that's my program in team polydozel. I don't get any players that would develop every week, mayroong maiiwan kaya kelangan pagpantay-pantayin sila. Kapag may maiiwan na player, maiiwan ang buong team. So i don't think na ang gagawin sa NT ay kelangan gagawin ko din sa team ko.

Bottom line: There are other ways for greatness without disrupting both parties... most especially if those two parties have distinctions in their own processes


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75076.43 in reply to 75076.42
Date: 2/27/2009 12:20:13 AM
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Singit lang ako. Pasensya na.

Medyo marami-rami na rin yung discussion sa development ng NT at U21 players. It would seem that the aspiring national coaches prioritize development of the players above anything else - as if they are the ones training the players themselves.

With the right build and strategy, one can take a team to great success. BS ba? I started week 5 sa season 7 with my team. From my initial roster, nag-formulate ako ng build plan for my team. Tinanggal ko yung players na hindi fit sa build at pa-isaisa, bumili ako ng fit na player with my weekly savings. I focused on my team strength lang. Strategy-wise, I followed the tactics hint from the rules section: slow the game down if the opponent has good offense. Result? I won my league and got promoted to Division III. I topped the elimination round of the TDP League and eventually won the playoffs against 2 PPL teams and one from Div. II. At best, I get Inept(high) sa offensive at rebounding ratings at awful(high) sa OF pero ang defense ko mababa na ang mediocre(medium). I try to limit the opponent to less than 85 attempts lang. Maski bano sa offense team ko, at the buzzer ako ang panalo.

Ano point ko? I think we can design a build for our NT and U21 teams capitalizing on what we have (rather than wish for the right training from other players). Sometime last December, I suggested to the NT coach to try slow tactics versus strong countries. I even illustrated my point using computations but it seems masyado tayo in love sa fast tactics (look inside). Kung mataas ang offense rating ng kalaban, if you give them 90+ attempts - delikado ka na.

For the candidates, ano ang build plan ninyo? Paki-explain kung paano magiging effective yung build plan mo against other NT/U21 opponents (ex. USA U21 prominent OS, strong ID; Netherland U21 prolific IS, proficient PD, prolific ID; etc.).

Salamat.


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75076.44 in reply to 75076.43
Date: 2/27/2009 1:00:26 AM
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I concur sa post ni sir hayop, kung nagiging problema nga ng previous NT natin is predictability ng tactics, mas maganda nga na may game plan na based sa strengths and weaknesses ng opposing team. Maganda siguro sa pagbuo ng NT, magconsider ng different line-ups na pwedeng gamitin, just like sa American Football na may deffensive at offensive team sila. Maganda nga na marinig natin from the candidates ang magiging approach nila para masolusyonan yung predictability issue ng National team.

Goodluck sa lahat this Season 8!

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75076.45 in reply to 75076.43
Date: 2/27/2009 1:42:34 AM
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No offense, but you probably won your league because of lack of training knowledge from opposing teams, their lack of proper tactics, and inactivity. Try them sa cup if they will work with vastly superior teams. They MIGHT work, pero no matter how you slow the game down, it will mean nothing against a vastly superior team. Imagine our RP team competing with the likes of Team USA.

You want to be able to compete with USA, or Spain using the players that we have now? Impossible. Cge try competing with opposing SFs using C or PFs na walang outside defense.

For the candidates:

Jsmoove - How can you say that you are successful with the fact that you lost in your semifinals last season? How do you intend to train our younger players if you do not have them yourself?

Gm Collie - I checked your matches last season with ribonuclic acid. You haven't won a single game against him in 3 matches, despite your so called "experience". Why should I vote for you?

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75076.46 in reply to 75076.45
Date: 2/27/2009 3:25:41 AM
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Because my coaching in PPL doesn't have to do with coaching in NT/U21... as I've stated before in my post... those two are different. Also, Smoove's team is composed of some of the league's best players... With that caliber, it's still a far cry for me to win one game last season, based on the development of my players.

Why you should vote for me? Because in all of the contestants, i'm the one with the most experience in the NT aspect. My experience taught me about the things that i should be doing and the things that i shouldn't. And with this, along with the players that i will be acquiring, we will try hard to get the best standing in the Asia qualifying, and the Worlds.

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75076.47 in reply to 75076.46
Date: 2/27/2009 4:15:49 AM
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If you're gonna ask me whether if I focus train one position... that would be no problem for the NT, but it would be a problem for the system that i program on my club team.

The difference between sa club and sa NT, sa NT, you pick the best filipino players then compete with the best talent from the other country, while at the same time make them better without disrupting any program. And the good thing about NT players is that the training is focused solely on them.

Wherein, in the club teams, the training is solely focused on the team. that's my program in team polydozel. I don't get any players that would develop every week, mayroong maiiwan kaya kelangan pagpantay-pantayin sila. Kapag may maiiwan na player, maiiwan ang buong team. So i don't think na ang gagawin sa NT ay kelangan gagawin ko din sa team ko.

Bottom line: There are other ways for greatness without disrupting both parties... most especially if those two parties have distinctions in their own processes.


Because my coaching in PPL doesn't have to do with coaching in NT/U21... as I've stated before in my post... those two are different.


Again my problem with this is you are not practicing what you preach. Obviously magkaiba ang approach for winning sa NT at sa club level. And it seems obvious as well from your answers na you are not willing to sacrifice your clubs performance for the better of the NT.

Yes sa NT you pick the best Filipino players from all the teams. But the teams that you will pick these players from are sacrificing kasi yung training nila is not optimal for a club (you said so yourself that the approaches are different). Hindi ba mukhang lugi naman kami if we train our players for the NT and nagpapakahirap kami sa club namin tapos yung U21 coach nasa PPL playoffs at hindi nagtrain ng players for NT?

I think the Philippines deserve a U21 coach who is willing to make the sacrifices he asks from the other managers.

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75076.48 in reply to 75076.45
Date: 2/27/2009 4:38:05 AM
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No offense taken. I will try my team in the cup. At the TDP League, I went up against three Div II.2 teams (one has been promoted to the PPL by the time we met at the TDP Finals) and a PPL team (piloted by one of the U21 aspirants). I went 7-0 in that tournament. Its only been less than a season but I feel that Im headed at the right direction. I was a Div IV team last season and I upset two PPL teams. I am trying to stir up debate hoping to point our national teams towards being built to upset stronger national teams.

Hindi uubra yung makipagsabayan. Not unless we get farm teams and that is the long term approach. We should continue training players for national teams. In the mean time, since our guards and SFs are not up to par with other nations, I think we should put our heads together and come up with unorthodox builds. Experiment muna. We try the normal approach and we could expect optimistically 4-4 finishes. Ano ang mawawala sa atin kung mag-isip tayo outside the box.

I already voted but sana pag-isipan ng mga kandidato lalo na yung mananalo ang punto ko. Baka pwede po sagutin ninyo ang tanong ko - in Filipino po in case basahin ng mga banyaga ang thread na ito at malintikan tayo.

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75076.49 in reply to 75076.47
Date: 2/27/2009 4:45:51 AM
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I think the Philippines deserve a U21 coach who is willing to make the sacrifices he asks from the other managers.


I beg to differ.

In the first place, I never agreed about the "Practice what you preach" thing, wherein i would be training players for NT as well. I never said i'm into that.

I'm saying that I would be finding the best crop of players, then let them train more to be better... it means na member na sila at pagagalingin pa.

Also, how can you say that they are sacrificing? i dunno about your case, but there are others that have one position training, pero di mo naman iko-consider na nag-sacrifice sila... meaning, choice nila yun. Also, in the first place, NT managers never ask for the club managers to do this or do that... Like LA-Ubaldo, he just left a post in the thread then yung mga club managers na ang bahala kung susunod or hindi...

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