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191253.392 in reply to 191253.387
Date: 7/29/2011 12:43:36 PM
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AGreed I feel like thats Jason's biggest X-factor and I as I'm sure all managers want to here his idea of NT and tactics and specific knowledgeability of our NT. So, yes I think we should have that discussion on the off-site forums, but I don't know if its against the rules.

to the Buzzerbeater gods...can we get a reprieve from the rules on this one occasion to discussion NT specifics on an offsite forum?

We have a lot of great outside shooters. Unfortunately, we play all our games indoors.
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191253.393 in reply to 191253.390
Date: 7/29/2011 12:47:31 PM
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[ It just seems like Jason is a bit bored with his club team, so he's trying to find a new challenge, but one that he is completely unprepared for.


Tell you what Shannon...I can take all the criticism...a lot of is valid...but I would really appreciate if you would stop trying to read my mind, and predict why I am doing this or that. What in the world about the run my team is on right now would suggest I am bored? Sheesh.

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191253.394 in reply to 191253.392
Date: 7/29/2011 12:56:12 PM
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I'm not sure what you are asking for? You can discuss NT stuff wherever you wish.


@Smedlock If Jason is willing to listen and take in information he'll be fine. I'm pretty sure everyone involved will help out and at this stage knowledge/experience is almost trivial. We have enough accumulated through the program. The NT coach is a figurehead and the biggest job is delegation and building the community. Jason is the better person for that job. I've interacted with him before and he has always been super helpful and VERY responsive.

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Date: 7/29/2011 12:57:12 PM
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It's his opinion, let him have it. Why should he vote for you if you don't even explain why your running and instead tell him to "stop trying to read my mind"?

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Date: 7/29/2011 1:06:22 PM
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It's his opinion, let him have it. Why should he vote for you if you don't even explain why your running and instead tell him to "stop trying to read my mind"?


I'd like to think that I have explained why. While there have been some facts being discussed about me not having experience as an NT coach, or in the offsite forums...its an inaccurate assumption I am doing this out boredom.

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Date: 7/29/2011 1:06:43 PM
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It may be vast to someone that is a casual BB player. I'm pretty sure Jason is on here anytime he's not sleeping...it won't take him long to get up to speed I guarantee you that.


@Panic/Smedlock - I think we are forgetting in all of this that Namssor, or most people from the offsite for that matter, would also have to get up to speed. Where does Namssor generally post? The tactics threads right? Where we talk about a couple call up options and the other guys on our team already. He does the opposition scouting and is the assistant coach. He is well versed in these things...but like I said I think we need something fresh. I am like you, Smed, because I read and peruse the threads. I am sure Namssor is too, BUT he doesn't post very often (70 times since '09! Did anyone else realize this?) and has not done a ton of domestic scouting amongst our players. So those 100 player possibilities Namssor would have to get acquainted with just like jason. That's also why we have a staff. The staff will help whichever one wins the election get up to speed. That's why Jfarb will stick around. Not because of game planning as he said he will abstain from that, but because of player development and community growth. Everyone understands that it is going to take everyone to win a WC, not just the coach we elect.

Being a part of the offsite in the capacity that most people are allows you to see how things work and how things are run from a NT perspective. Just because you are a part doesn't mean you know everything there is to know about all these topics. Very few people have this much knowledge. I would argue that most of them are past coaches because it takes being a coach before you truly grasp the ins and outs completely. Jfarb put more effort into the offsite than anyone else during his tenure. This caused him to grasp these things fully. Whether it's Namssor or Jason, neither will grasp these things more fully until they are thrown into the fire. That's just how it is.

So I guess what I am saying is that we are putting so much stock into the offsite, yet both candidates have a learning curve where it counts. We are over blowing an issue to be bigger than what it is. It's not as hard as we all think to get acclimated...it just feels that way because a lot of you have been there for so long. Im not saying being a part of it wouldn't help...but it's not the end all be all of the discussion. I have loved being a part of it for the last few months and appreciate everything people do on behalf of the NT. It has motivated me to become a domestic scout of 18yo this season in fact. So I'm not undervaluing the offsite. I am just saying that we are being a little short sighted with how much we are beating this dead horse... On top of that the gap between their activities isn't as great either as seen with the post count. Heck if we went by forum activity then Oriolekid would be the next NT coach. He is more active on their than anyone other than maybe Jfarb or Rambo...and even maybe more than them!

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191253.399 in reply to 191253.394
Date: 7/29/2011 1:10:27 PM
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+1 Agree with this completely.

If Jason is willing to listen and take in information he'll be fine. I'm pretty sure everyone involved will help out and at this stage knowledge/experience is almost trivial. We have enough accumulated through the program. The NT coach is a figurehead and the biggest job is delegation and building the community.

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Date: 7/29/2011 1:15:23 PM
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The NT coach is a figurehead and the biggest job is delegation and building the community. Jason is the better person for that job. I've interacted with him before and he has always been super helpful and VERY responsive.


Agreed, we have talked quite a bit in the past and he has always been helpful and friendly. Now I repay him by being one of his harshest critics


Yeah! Whats up with that? :-)

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Date: 7/29/2011 1:17:30 PM
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BUT he doesn't post very often (70 times since '09! Did anyone else realize this?)

If I remember correctly, he signed up before becoming NZ manager and then was busy with that until just this last season to help with assistant coaching. Otherwise, spot-on.

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Date: 7/29/2011 1:22:57 PM
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That may be spot on. 70 times in 3-4 months is higher activity rate, however Namssor himself is touting his involvement since '09. This is very deceiving. Basically he has been involved for 1 season then? See what I'm saying? Either way, it's neither here nor there I guess, but if you are going to make a point to tell everyone you've been on the offsite since '09, I would think you would have been active since that time...

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