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93604.394 in reply to 93604.393
Date: 7/29/2009 3:15:26 AM
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This is mostly true for a 2-3 zone. A 3-2 zone is designed to take away jump shots, with the wing in a good 3-2 zone rotating down to the corner. A 1-3-1 zone is mostly a trapping defense, with a major emphasis on harassing outside play and creating turnovers. But, 2-3 zone, I would agree with you.


No, it's not only 2-3 zone. Even the fastest winger cannot be so quick as to be everywhere on time and there are real good possibilities how to beat 3-2 with open jump shots based on the defending wing rotating to the corner and then there are only a few passes and open shot. In my opinion, 2-3 is even better to defending corner 3 pointers, but then there is a risk of being beaten by a fast cut & pass under the basket.

I have never played 1-3-1 zone, so I can't comment on that, but it seems you've got a point in that.

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93604.396 in reply to 93604.395
Date: 7/29/2009 5:31:51 AM
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88 Rebounds in a game (even with OT)...
38-1 margin ...
Skyrocketing assist numbers...

average in NBA:
assists 18-23 range per team
rebounds ...upper 30's to mid 40's per team per game.

38-1 margin can not be defended. 88-44 total...maybe..but....no.


How many such games out of almost 200,000 did you find on BB? And how many do you think ever happened in real basketball?

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93604.397 in reply to 93604.376
Date: 7/29/2009 8:02:13 AM
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I thiink you are very clearly taking my quote out of context... and particularly because the bottom of that post is the caveat .. SOME OF THESE STATEMENTS MAY BE MISLEADING i find it somewhat upsetting.

Note here I was speaking very theoretically about what being a good shot blocker means in real life... and should NECCESARILY be taken to reflect the reality of the game engine. The who point of that caveat and the long winded redaction that I put up was to try to prevent people from doing from exactly what you are doing here and getting confused.

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93604.398 in reply to 93604.397
Date: 7/29/2009 8:27:49 AM
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i believed in this discussion was more post about shot blocked just affect blocked shots, and also should do it in the future because you don't like to have to skills for one propose ;) Also from your side, so we could discuss the effetiness from shot blocking on such "quotes" or not?

Or why we could discuss about shotblocking on even older post, that shot blocking was in ID RATING, which wasn't used in game(OD Rating bug with JS) and only a try to make the engine easier to understand.

If it changed, and sb now alters block i would be happy if you told us for us and in this case i change my way in judging about SB as a skill. but with the given point of information, Blocking is just for blocked shots, and we should view it like that if it still a skill which makes players weaker(potential, salary for nearly no effort) or get useful with the change.

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93604.399 in reply to 93604.398
Date: 7/29/2009 8:40:04 AM
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The point of the discussion is that often in NBA the ability of a player in defence is measured only by blocks and steals,but they are not so good method to evaluete the defence of a player.It is true that a good shot blocker can influence some inside shot,but a good defender is a good defender also if he don't jump as a donkey to make some block,but if defend hard with body and with the brain
In a game in which the ability to block shot had to be differenced form the ability to defend,it's hard to estabilish the real weight of SB skill in the contest of the inside defence,and it is right that SB skill has less importance than the pther skill for the big mans

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93604.400 in reply to 93604.399
Date: 7/29/2009 9:01:36 AM
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i don't want to kill inside defence as a skill, but i like to see blocking skill worth what you pay for ;)

And as a said three or for times, good blocking don't means high blocked numbers for me, it also includes the decision when to jump off for a block. Many of the good blockers in numbers i know act like a an "boomer" and jump of in every possibility and give easy shot that way. But also a try to blcok a shot often altered shots instead of punshing it away, so it would be possible to influence the Inside defence skill with the blocking skill to make it more useful.

But also a regulation in salary and potential things would be ok for me, because it doesn't punish people who doesn't train it before.(even if the blocking training is in this case still a pretty useless function)

Last edited by CrazyEye at 7/29/2009 9:06:35 AM

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93604.401 in reply to 93604.400
Date: 7/29/2009 9:19:35 AM
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A regolation in salary could be made on all the skills,not only for SB
And is known that in temrs cost-benefits SB is the worst skill in the game.And the decison to jump for blocking skills,as you say,could be good for players who have yet a great inside defence:they decide to jump thanks to thier defence ability at right time to influenced the shot.But at that point,however SB skills would be useful for what si paid
And I think that if someone made wrong decisions training too much SB,it's fair that the potential and salary "punishes" him,as if they train at legendary level handling with an awful JS

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93604.402 in reply to 93604.396
Date: 7/29/2009 9:35:32 AM
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1 and 0. Although I didn't find the "1" and I am guessing I could search around and find cousins to this. It is super unusual...and I get that...but 200,000 games? I thought we were talking about the relatively few games in comparison with the new engine?

You GM's can explain and defend it however you want, but

GMJuicePats says he sees "88-44"
GM K says look at it as 50-1 on one side of the floor, and 38-43 on the other
Some say look at it 38-1 to offensive rebound margin.

How can ANY of those be defended? We are just saying "hey..check out this weird game. Do you think it is the new additions to the system?" I understand you are going to defend it and you should. It will work out. You know more about it than we do. ..but to blow "look at it this way" smoke with THAT game? No sir. Nope. THAT game is F'd up ...and maybe a "that IS weird," as opposed to "you are looking at the numbers wrong" would do sometimes. I am guessing that would cut down on threads by appeasing us little people.


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93604.403 in reply to 93604.401
Date: 7/29/2009 10:04:41 AM
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for example in rebounding they make the skill mroe worthfull in high regions, in going to absolute difference and not taking relativ one anym more which amke the different lower.

And also SB, nearly have a effect on game only on salary, and for example in the newby help sticky it is one of the important skills for the centers. In the past there are many misleading pos, because of altered shots who was think to be a part of the game also becuase of the pst of charles about the ID rating.

In the other skills i see improvement when i training then, even if it in high categories expensive but in my eyes it sis tstill worth. And for SB i know people who thing also high starint values for trainees are bad, and they have succes with it.

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93604.404 in reply to 93604.402
Date: 7/29/2009 10:05:24 AM
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can i ask what margin you think would be appropriate for a 3.5 level difference?

Someone seemed to suggest that 30-9 was more appropriate (the difference between 3 pointers).

(now first off I don't accept that 3 pointers are the same as rebounds in terms of how they distribute based upon ratings differences... but even if i do)

than you are talking about the difference between 38-1 vs 38-9.... and i would hold that probably 38-1 was really fluxish, and if you ran the game again you would probably have more... maybe the average is 5 boards... now you are really complaining about a difference of 4.... and then really what are you arguing about?

of course when you are so dominated on the offensive boards, the noise involved in small numbers can make the proportional numbers seem huge.. but just cause you got 1 this game doesn't mean that happens all the time.

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