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I did this in my first season because I was an idiot. Trained outside D for two weeks and I think I got two pops (none on bigs, both on my short 18 year old guards) with a level 4 trainer. OD trains at about 75% of the speed of passing on PG and PG/SG, so you can try to do some rough math with that. In general terms it's safe to say that team training non-FT/ST skills is not at all efficient.

You're unlikely to find anyone who can provide a systematic answer to your question because team training the non-ft/st skills is so slow that no one who cares about training speed enough to document it is going to waste her/his time on such an inefficient training regime.

I have similar thoughts if i had a big man i wanted to get passing i would probably just play him a full game at PG in the scrimmage and do 1 postion training. Be better to keep training his big man skills then do team training in passing in my opinion.

You don't have to do something to be able to estimate the results. You can take data from other training regimen and make a guess as to the likely answer.

and what "other training regimen" are you going to use??

As mentioned no active owner is going to ever do team training for a skill. It takes forever and is inefficient and hence no one will even bother documenting it.

If you look at the training speed analysis, training speed for team training is missing for a reason....no one is gonna screw up a whole season of training just to find out.

Agree with Aussie Pride with this. I have a few big men myself which I had to train HN earlier this season. I cut their minutes down during the season games and gave them a whole 48 minutes at PG for the scrimmage to make sure my gameshape remains good. This is the best way to go about it.

Although I don't think it's profitable compared to training fewer players (only my guess), it would be interested to know your experiences with this should you go for a full season of team passing training. I guess it also could be applied to team training of other skills that take roughly the same time as passing (based on the training speed analysis of fewer trained positions).

If there's any truth to the hints and tips found on the forums and rules (and I like to think there is) I would however recommend that you train fewer players (2 positions or less), and circulate your training. Word is you'll see faster improvement for players that are kept about even in the skills that are relevant for the players position.

Did you read my post that I said it was an estimate? Did you read anything in my post that said it was the most efficient? Do you know what an estimate means?

I didn't really get the estimate in the first place. What does 7-8 games actually mean. Does it mean about 3 weeks as theres 3 games a week or was it a mistake.

To do team training is a waste of time. Players get their MAXIMUM training at 48 minutes. So, you would have to play players 48 minutes a week for four to five weeks to get a pop. Better to do two-position training with a lvl 4/5 trainer. Pop much faster.

Oh yeah i know all that was just having a dig at the other guy lol

Did you even read my post? Read it before commenting.

Your estimate is completely inaccurate, arbitrary and unrealistic....but it remains just that...its YOUR estimate.

My whole point was that you can't "take data from other training regimen and make a guess as to the likely answer" because there is no other data for you to base your estimate on in the first place. No one has wasted a whole season of training on team training for you to even get anywhere a near accurate estimate.

FYI, the efficient comment was not directed at you. This is an open forum. It was in response to the initial post that wanted to know if he should do team training.

Yes, there is data. There's a thread here somewhere in the forums talking about how long it takes to train PA. Search for it if you want. I have it saved in my spreadsheet. It takes about 2 weeks to train PA in an ideal player (short and young) in 1 position, sometimes less. If you ask my opinion based on my training of my 6'1" 19 y/o trainee from last season, every week gives me 66% of a pop.

Now if you train 2 positions, the time it takes to pop becomes x2 (not exactly, maybe x1.8-2). So to train 5 positions you can ESTIMATE that it will be somewhere between 4-5 times the time. Now if you go do it yourself, it might NOT be the same number of weeks. That's why it's called an ESTIMATE.

Here's what the OP posted: "Even rough estimates will be great!"

Can you estimate the time it takes for you to travel from earth to the next galaxy? Yes. Well do you take EXACTLY that much time down to the last nanosecond? No. Have you ever been to the next galaxy? No. But can you make an estimate nonetheless? Hell yes. Do you need more examples in real life of how to use the word "estimate"?

Now, if you still argue that an ESTIMATE has to be ACCURATE then I no longer will argue with you over that because that means we have different understanding of the word itself.

If the efficient comment was not for me, why did you reply to me?

To aussie dude: Sorry I meant 7-8 weeks.

Last edited by kLepTo at 12/4/2009 12:40:18 PM