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122319.5 in reply to 122319.4
Date: 12/16/2009 8:40:27 AM
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Just a few comments from your speech:

In terms of scouting, he's going to take charge of it this season and I will resume my head scouting duties in season 12.


I don't think that's exactly what I said... I said I would take over from you and that I did not think it was really the NT manager's job to do the U21 scouting. In fact, last season you scouted the draft for divisions I-III on your own, I did pretty much the rest of the scouting along with the help of some volunteers (you also contacted the 20 yr olds at some point to get an update).

As for what will happen going forward, I could see a few possibilities:

-I run it this season (with the help of some volunteers) and then you take over again in season 12 (like you mentioned in your speech)
-I run it this season (with the help of some volunteers) and whoever wins the U21 post next time continues to do so
-Someone else (or two people) from the community run the scouting, with some guidance from the U21 and NT managers

That's what my original questions were all about - to get to the heart of this. My personal thought is that we should eventually go towards the 3rd option. What form that takes and whether or not there is someone in the community willing and able to do it is up for debate.

Actually, the prefered option would be to go towards a system like the US has on their off-site forum... But I don't know if we have the BBAPI expertise in Canada to pull that off. Well... there is one guy who seems to be making BBAPI tools in Canada. What's his name again?

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122319.7 in reply to 122319.6
Date: 12/16/2009 10:32:13 AM
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I agree that the third option would be best one as it would allow the NT coaches to focus on their respective teams. The major problem with giving this job to a third party is that it needs to be done flawlessly. If for some reason, this head scout failed to do a thorough job it would really cause a problem.


I agree that it would have to be someone trustworthy, but I think such people exist in Canada. The only issue is whether they would be willing to put in the effort for what is essentially a thankless job.

As for a BBAPI, that's asking a lot from a single person (I think).


I do not really know, but once the tool was in place scouting would be much easier. Would it really be more complex than the tools that oeuftete is currently developing? The problem is that oeuftete seems to be the only person in Canada developing BBAPI tools, so if he does not have the time, we are out of luck.

Alternatively we could ask the Americans if they would give us their tool. Consider it a part of free trade...

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122319.8 in reply to 122319.7
Date: 12/16/2009 10:59:04 AM
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Alternatively we could ask the Americans if they would give us their tool.


We have plenty of tools in the USA forum.

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122319.9 in reply to 122319.8
Date: 12/16/2009 11:02:00 AM
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We have plenty of tools in the USA forum.


We only want the BBAPI tools... Not the other kind of tool.

You can keep TUG, having him in my private league is enough for me. ;-)

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122319.10 in reply to 122319.9
Date: 12/16/2009 2:47:08 PM
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So, it seems (unless someone can prove me wrong) that the highest salaried player in Canada is being paid just under $140,000. One of these guys is Zuka Mompati. This leads me to two questions:

-Mompati will probably not play for the NT any time soon because his owner refuses to keep him in good game shape. What will you do as a manager to reach out to owners who cannot keep their players in good game shape? (this is a slight to me by the way, since I was never successful at getting Mompati in good game shape while he was on the U21)

-Given the relatively low salaries of high level Canadian players, should we really be getting excited about 19 year old all time great potential players? (I don't even know if the top players in the world, like Cardenas, have even needed ATG potential yet) Or should we be trying to find and support engaged owners who can actually train our 18 year old superstar - hall of fame players?

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122319.12 in reply to 122319.11
Date: 12/17/2009 9:57:46 PM
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I think there may be two things at play here:

1) People are extremely happy with the job you are doing and do not feel they could do better (I encouraged at least one person to run against you because he joked that he would throw his hat in the ring if no one serious stepped forward, but they felt they could not do a better job that you. And to be honest, I can't really disagree from what you have done in the past)

2) Running for the position is time intensive and if you win it is even more of a time crunch. There is just too much going on at this time of year.

I feel that you have done so much in the past that you deserve another term. I just hope that the lack of competition does not de-motivate you. But knowing how much you care about the U21/NT I know you would not let that happen.

As for my questions/comments, I was really hoping one of the rookies/joke candidates would take a stab at them, too. But I guess there is not much hope for a debate it seems.

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From: The Mogul

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122319.13 in reply to 122319.11
Date: 12/17/2009 9:59:14 PM
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I can't speak for everyone, but I've been happy with the job that you've done as NT manager. I was hoping that you'd run, as at this point, I'd rather vote for you than run myself.

I think that I probably will run for either U21 manager or NT manager at some point, if my interest in the teams remains as high as it is now, and the timing seems right. With this in mind, I would be interesting in learning more about the inner workings of the job, to help prepare for a possible campaign in the future.

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122319.14 in reply to 122319.11
Date: 12/17/2009 10:31:52 PM
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For anyone who is following the Canadian election: is there a reason why there are no other serious candidates running?


I am only going into my third season so take my opinions with a grain of salt, but I think you've done an excellent job and the interest in the NT/U21 teams seems to be at least in part a result of your hard work. I feel that regardless of results, this interest in the NT is itself a good and the fact that both you and the AFNA Chuck have been very good about being welcoming and helpful to new players like me. Interest from noobs like myself can only help down the road in terms of getting more players trying to train prospects and learning how to do it effectively.

So basically I think it's both a combination of people being busy, you having done a good job and you coming across as likable enough that there doesn't seem to be a compelling reason for someone to run as an "Anyone but RiP88 candidate."

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