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well thats not what I ment. I thought I had heard the best time to train OD was at 18. and like training JS and JR is better at later ages.

Im trying to perfect my guard training.

You heard wrong. Everything is trained best at 18. It's a different matter what skills are more important to train first. OD is the most important (I think everyone agrees on that) so it's advised for OD to be trained first.

And you didn't ask the right question, the other guy answered exactly what you asked.

let me rephrase what i think he wanted to ask. all skills train faster at 18 and slower later. the question is, does the effectiveness decrease more dramatically in some skills? for example, if i want to get a pop in js at 18 and a pop at od at 23, is the time it takes to get those pops the same as the combined time to get a pop at od at 18 and a pop at js at 23?

I think the differences are so freaking small no one could ever notice it. There are just too many variables for it to be significant. To answer your question - I think decrease in some skills is not so dramatic but that's just my opinion.

PS Even if you create perfect training, mr. Murphy will come in with 2 weeks injury or something like that :)

That's what I think too. It's too complex, since the level of the other skills also plays a role, etc. I once heard some discussions where people said that JS would suffer less if you trained it later, but I didn't see any compelling evidence.

Yes that was how i wanted to phrase it. I was thinking that certain skills were better to train at certain ages. Obviously 18 is the best to train the skill. I was thinking maybe some things take longer to train, would it be smarter to train the things that take 2-3 weeks to pop as of 1.8-2 weeks to pop at a younger age.

Mathematical speaking, youd get more pops if you did all the 1-2 week training regimes the first 2 years then worry about the other training options when he is 20-21. Im not sure if this makes sense how i wrote it or what not.

WIth elastic effect 22 can train faster than 18, I've seen it happen.

My guy just popped OD twice in a row at 19 y/o, 18 I trained 1on1 F for weeks on end, to set up a good elastics situation, also some ID training.

I think many will testify that an 18 y/o still usually takes 2 weeks to pop OD. So you could spend 8 weeks for 4 pops as things just slow down anyway as you go, staying that speed. Or you could to 4 weeks of 1on1 (or about 8 like i did ;)) and then hope for those 4 pops of OD to happen in about 6 weeks, and its not like the time you spend on 1on1 is wasted, DR is useful (opinoin, some disagree) and IS and JS pops don't exactly kill the player...(1on1 and JR training is the only place i get JS pops since i have a religious belief which forbids JS training ;) Its a religon revolving aroudn teh correct development of playerse and not ruining them with capping early and excessive salaries.

My experience in training can confirm all of the above. My 22y old popped twice in a row in JR which is the slowest skill to train for a guard, all because other guard skills were much above JR level.

I'm using exactly the same method as you, save for ID. I think 1 on 1 is the best thing to train first for at least 4-6 weeks and then continue with OD, PA and JR. Btw, I also don't use the JS training; JR and 1 on 1 train it enough.

Last edited by Koperboy at 10/11/2011 4:12:47 AM

Right now my 19y/o is an SF build. I might be messing up his elastics a bit, I am taking him all around build and I did some JR for a few weeks with no pops, I think I jumped the gun . I need to stil with teh 1on1 F for longer, but I am just so eager to get him to single position training and get his OD adn scoring up.

His height (196 cm) is slowing things down a bit IMO. If he, by any case, had low sublevel of JR when you started with training, then 3 weeks without pop is certainly a possibility even at 19y. I needed 3 weeks for JR to pop on my 201 cm, 18y old (JR is the highest of skills right now, unfortunately I have to follow training regime for my U21 player).

I am also trying to find players with holes in their skillset and train them, but it's becoming harder and harder when you have a training regime to follow.It's easier with NT players because you don't care if you do that OD training now or in few weeks, but that's not the case with U21 when you have to take into account U21 manager's wishes, your team's plans and elastic effect. Luckily Polh has only one more season of 1-pos training in him, so soon he will end the "training terror" he was having on my team for three straight seasons now.

Chinese said they train OD first because JR gets its' elastic effect from OD. I don't know if I can believe that or not, but the guy said he got double pop on JR because of that (OD was 16 or so and JR was around 5-6).

I know my training regime will alwas be 1 on 1 first, then OD. And after that, JR and/or PA.