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In fact he's not criticizing the managers. If the usual manager from a small nation wants to spend 10M on a player because he can tank, that's ok. Well, that's not ok, that's an economy problem, but it's not the problem raised here.

He is just saying: I didn't spend any money on my draft, and I got lucky. Maybe above me there were managers better than me or managers who have spent a lot of money on draft, but I've ripped them off... with just luck.
This is unfair and absurd for a system which is meant to reward only people who spend and research for players.
I totally agree with him, though I don't like his suggestion. But he points out something going completely wrong.


PS: message rewritten, I deleted my previous one by mistake -_-'

Last edited by Biffo (*DT Member) at 11/9/2011 5:45:36 AM

Some people might want to train players differently; the player's that fit their criteria might not ever be in the TL at all.

I think you are right, and it should be bakanced with a top value for a player upon his real value.
By that, a player who is worth X$ will not be sold for more that 20% (for example) above is estimated value.
In case this limit is reached, he will be sold to the team who have reached to that value.

This game needs to be about managing and not about luck or stuff like that.

On the other hand, I do believe that players from the draft can be valuable and costable players that the user can sell for a big price.
This is the reward to those who invest in the draft.
And as we see each year on the NBA draft, luck may play a role... and this, on the other hand, is fine.

TPE is not precise. We can't force a value upon a player as market vary during the season and over seasons.

It should not vary more than 20% between seasons.
It varies due to luck, and not due to need.
This is exactly the problem.
This is not a dice game... it is BB managing game (I feel that I need to repeat this kind of explanation with you).

Luck is more important than investment in the draft. Even thought you can maximise luck with big investment. But as proved here, it's possible to get a very nice draftee without investment while big investment is not a sure way to get even an average player.

This type of luck (as I said) is part of a real draft. Assesment is not always working.

TPE is not precise. We can't force a value upon a player as market vary during the season and over seasons.

It should not vary more than 20% between seasons.
It varies due to luck, and not due to need.

ok then you make exact prices for all (10^7)*11 möglichkeiten,thats a number with 8 zero and that only for draft. When you think you could avoid TPE, with fixed prices, and that they are easy to implement.

It varies due to luck, and not due to need.

it also varies through needs, let you tell you this from someone who have experience there was always be trends on the TL.

This is not a dice game... it is BB managing game (I feel that I need to repeat this kind of explanation with you).

and is it not a mathematical formula, how you had to play it right.

This type of luck (as I said) is part of a real draft. Assesment is not always working.

could you decide yourself finally?

TPE is not precise. We can't force a value upon a player as market vary during the season and over seasons.

It should not vary more than 20% between seasons.
It varies due to luck, and not due to need.

ok then you make exact prices for all (10^7)*11 möglichkeiten,thats a number with 8 zero and that only for draft. When you think you could avoid TPE, with fixed prices, and that they are easy to implement.

No. Bargaining is one of the games features to a point.
It should not be fixed, but should vary around normal values.
"Amazingly", this what happens in the real world. The price is not fixed, but you would not pay triple (for example) as much for a player.

The price of a player will be upon the estimation already are part of the game, with some additional calculation to give a very rough value to those type of players who had not been estimated until now.

It varies due to luck, and not due to need.

it also varies through needs, let you tell you this from someone who have experience there was always be trends on the TL.

A need who is not proportional to the player value means something fishy is going on.
In any case, cases of earning money due to ignorance of new users who are not familiar yet with the game should be eliminated.
I do not see in any league a case where a team buys a player with a value that just not correlate to the players market's value.
Remark (as I know you), player's value is not his actual skills in the real world, but what a player with his resume currently earns.

This is not a dice game... it is BB managing game (I feel that I need to repeat this kind of explanation with you).

and is it not a mathematical formula, how you had to play it right.

See above.
Basicaly you ask it to be a dice game.

This type of luck (as I said) is part of a real draft. Assesment is not always working.

could you decide yourself finally?

There is just no connection so this "attack" attempt is foolish.
The game is not about luck, and new users ignorance of the game.
The draft is about an assesment, which is not always right.
Both are definitions of the game.

And why do I have the feeling that you won money due to this type of ignorance, and this is why you want to keep it like that...

And why do I have the feeling that you won money due to this type of ignorance, and this is why you want to keep it like that...

great argument, sir. As always.

I hope you design your own game soon, with your knwoledge about system and the majority it would be a big succes.

What do you think. Is the NBA draft a sure thing or is there a bit of luck involved? You can give some examples after choosing either one of those answers.

What do you think. Is the NBA draft a sure thing or is there a bit of luck involved? You can give some examples after choosing either one of those answers.

In case you would have first read my message fully, before launching an attack you will sound less...

Anyhow, as I said, there is a difference between wrong assesment - peeking Oden prior of Durant, and between using ignorance (due to not knowing the game or other) out of the charts to gain money.
I didn't see a player who had been worth X in the NBA got fife times his value on another team.
The value will be very close (not more than 50% for sure, for example) between who offers for that player.