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215947.4 in reply to 215947.3
Date: 5/9/2012 9:56:48 AM
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I would spend the next season doing single position training in pressure, passing and outside shooting during weeks when you have 3 games. Pressure trains OD, and small amount of ID, handling (HA), driving (DR). Passing trains passing (PA) of course, with smaller increases in HA, DR. Outside shooting trains jump range (JR), with some jump shot (JS).

Then in weeks where you only have 2 games (first week of the new season, allstar week if you are out of the cup, final week(s) of season), I would train something like jump shot, or One on One (1v1). JS will train JS, some JR, very small HA/DR. 1v1 will train HA, DR, and some JS, if you do it at the guards position. If you do 1v1 at forwards position, you get the same HA/DR training, but you gain some inside shot (IS) training. That IS training comes at the expense of JS training, which is lower than 1v1 guards.

For more about training start here:
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Then be sure to study this:
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Then go here for even more accurate descriptions of how much each skill gets increased with each training type
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Next, ask any and all questions you have! We all started out not knowing much about BB, especially in terms of training. So ask, and people will be happy to help (it's one of the best things about Buzzerbeater, the great community).


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215947.5 in reply to 215947.4
Date: 5/9/2012 1:06:29 PM
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thanks again i think i will do 4 weeks of outside then 4 weeks of pressure and then passing

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215947.6 in reply to 215947.5
Date: 5/9/2012 2:32:09 PM
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what level trainer do you have?

personally, I would go to the US offsite forum, show his skills there and ask what ppl would pay for him. If it were me, I would try to sell him for a lot of money. then use the money to expand your arena and get yourself into DIII.

The thing about joining buzzerbeater now is that players like yours are worth at least $1m or even much more right now, at the age of 18. but unless you are training him very well, he is going to lose value over time. Older players that can win you a lot of games are now going for almost nothing.

Also, your player, while short, is only perennial allstar and 19 soon - in the US, that is unlikely to get him enough training time to make the NT. You should probably reach out to the U21 team captain to inquire what kind of specific training he needs to try for the team when he is 21, and decided if you can train him appropriately to get him to that point.

It's a great time to join for you, especially because the player you drafted gives you a ton of options. But don't wait too long to decide what to do. Good luck and welcome.


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215947.7 in reply to 215947.5
Date: 5/9/2012 2:38:12 PM
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If he happened to get injured (or maybe for weeks with two matches), consider training his ugly free-throws. Team training apply to injured players too, so it woulndn't be a lost week for his training. Great pick anyway.

Now, after the draft has come, consider getting two other youngster to train as guards - either your draftees, even a bit weaker than this one, or a player that you buy on the market. A reasonable trainee is cheap and can be worth training for your team or for selling.

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215947.8 in reply to 215947.6
Date: 5/9/2012 2:57:02 PM
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Whoa whoa whoa! U21? NT? Now I'll agree that targeting the U21 guidelines isn't a bad idea given that that will create a very solid player, but nobody should start out BB and training their very first guys with either the NT or U21 in mind.

Now, if the original poster decides to try and sell him, that's cool and all, though 1 million might be a bit high on a guy with 7 potential, especially as he's about to age a year. I definitely suggest joining up at the offsite and at least asking other folks what they might pay for him. THen the option of selling will be clearer whether it is a good idea in the long run.

As far as training versus buying veterans, that's a purely personal decision about how each person likes to play the game. If you like to try and promote into D3, then selling this guy, expanding your arena, and buying trained veterans is one way to go. If you want to train young guys for your team, develop them, and slightly delay promoting to D3, that's another way. Both have their pluses and minuses, and I don't consider one as "better" or more valid than the other.

Still though, at least a level 4 trainer is the way to go if you're gonna train him up. And also you might as well get another young guy you can train along with Bruno. Maybe you'll be able to get someone in the draft.


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215947.9 in reply to 215947.5
Date: 5/9/2012 3:05:40 PM
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Actually, I would suggest that league situations notwithstanding, rotating between training types is likely to be more effective overall than constantly pushing one skill up before moving along to the next. That's because of two things: the elastic effect, and the cross-training penalty.

The elastic effect is where the skill levels of some skills are linked to certain others, so that low skills in some area slow down training of some. Precisely which skills are elastically linked to the others isn't totally clear. It's also not known whether during training of a very high level skill whether the lower skill is increased to the same amount that the high skill is retarded (that is, is there a net loss of training when linked skills are disparate in their levels, or is the same total amount of training just distributed differently).

Similar for cross training, though in this case it works as though every skill is elastically linked to what you're training. If you try and pump up one skill high, some of the training is redirected to other skills.

And since increased skills from training will lead to increased performance regardless of whether you see a pop or not, there's no real negative to rotating between training types (I think the main reason it would be important to actually show the training pop is if you want to sell the guy, and want to make sure prospective buyers can see the training you've added).

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215947.10 in reply to 215947.9
Date: 5/9/2012 4:09:49 PM
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I am hoping to get another good trainee with the up and coming draft. I would like to promote to D.III but I dont see my team being ready to compete on that level and would prob drop back down or not make a good run at all. I would rather sit in IV if i have too a couple of season to build a team that when promoted to D. III will be ready and not ran all over.

Tangosz when you say rotating training do you mean every week do something different like rotate between OS, Passing, Pressure.

And selling the trainee I mean i see the benefits from it and i could make some good cash but idk I kinda grew attached to Ol Bruno these few weeks

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215947.11 in reply to 215947.10
Date: 5/9/2012 4:18:28 PM
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yeah, one week pressure, one week passing, one week outside shooting.

Rinse. Repeat.

From your earlier post I wasn't clear if you were gonna do 4 straight weeks of each, and then move onto the next.

Promoting a league when you know you'll drop back down may or may not be a good thing. With promotion you get a cash bonus, a season ticket holder boost, and a bonus to attendance for most of your first season. Plus the ticket demand is already better, and TV contracts are bigger. All good things.

But with relegation you'll have a prolonged penalty to attendance. And I believe that the loss of season ticket holders upon relegation is greater than the increase after promotion, so you're left with a net loss.

In all honestly, D4 is a good place to start training up your guys, you'll get more moeny than if you were in D5, but still have a good chance to stay in the league, compared to D3. It's also a lot easier to train your guys in non-ideal positions in D4.

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215947.12 in reply to 215947.11
Date: 5/9/2012 4:41:08 PM
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I get what your saying looks like i have some decisions to make with this new season

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215947.13 in reply to 215947.12
Date: 5/9/2012 4:43:08 PM
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Like rocket said, definitely sign up at the USA offsite. First, it's just a good group of folks who help all levels of managers. There will be lots of help there in creating a training plan that works. Plus there are team diaries so you can see how other teams have approached training. Very helpful!