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227901.4 in reply to 227901.3
Date: 10/3/2012 12:26:33 PM
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best example is eddie curry..

get some scrubplayer to play in scrimages, so you starting five is not playing more the 70 min. best is probably around 60

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Date: 10/4/2012 2:15:12 PM
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for D.IV, it's less important to have 8's and 9's in game shape, but the standard level for most players on the opposition is at worst a 5 or 6 from players that enter the game. So there are advantages to running guys out there for somewhere in the upper 50's to low 60's every week in an attempt to get optimum game shape. However, sometimes you also have to put your star player out there as some teams at this level (in the US at least) have one 40k player and a bunch of 6k or less salaries. So sometimes you need that guy to go 35-40 minutes a game two games in a row.

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Date: 10/5/2012 11:48:31 AM
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Game shape is THE most important thing in this game for success IMO and probably the one thing that is most abused by the user-base.


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227901.7 in reply to 227901.5
Date: 10/6/2012 9:48:40 PM
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for D.IV, it's less important to have 8's and 9's in game shape


Just because not everyone realizes how important it is doesn't mean it's any less important. Game shape is equally important at all levels.

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Date: 10/6/2012 11:09:22 PM
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I'll give you that in 95% of the weeks in a given year in D.IV and D.V having good game shape is a must. However, i can also say that it is not 100% equally important across all levels.

The best game shape against people that dont realize it's importance is a game shape that allows you to win, and thats not always a 9. When you drop from a 30k salary (which is good for a 20000 ranked in the world team) to a 2k salary, it doesn't matter if they're both game shape 9 or game shape 7. Every minute that the 2k salary is out there he's toasted.

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227901.9 in reply to 227901.8
Date: 10/6/2012 11:27:09 PM
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Teams in lower leagues are worse at everything, so you could make that same argument for anything (i.e. "having a well constructed team is less important because you don't always need a well constructed team to win"). Arguments of importance are relative to other strategy considerations so this doesn't make any sense.

If you have 9 GS when others have 7, and everything else is equal, your team will play roughly like it has double the other team's salary. This means you can be terrible at everything else and still win. To me that sounds important.

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227901.10 in reply to 227901.9
Date: 10/7/2012 1:31:56 AM
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I dunno where your going with this anymore

1) Gameshape is an important facet of the game to learn. Don't take my statement to mean that it isn't important, it clearly is.

2) Gameshape is not the end all stat to decide whether or not a team wins. The factors that influence the outcome of a game are more apparently in lower divisions where teams are not as well maintained as they are as the ranks are climbed.

Perhaps a better thing for me to do would be to point to the lineup card antics that the OP has as the reason why he or she cannot currently beat opponents with equal or lesser talent.

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227901.11 in reply to 227901.10
Date: 10/7/2012 4:19:23 AM
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You've said a couple times that game shape is more important at higher levels which is incorrect. This can be a poisonous thought because it can lead to managers in lower leagues not doing everything they can to maintain game shape, such as constructing their roster in such a way that certain players are bound to get too many minutes.

All your arguments supporting this have been along the lines of (paraphrasing) "GS isn't as important at lower levels because you can sometimes win without it, and a lot of your opponents suck at it, unlike higher leagues". This argument is BS because you can replace GS with virtually any skill or strategy in this game and those things will still be true; it is not at all specific to GS.

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227901.12 in reply to 227901.11
Date: 10/7/2012 2:25:22 PM
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and if they blindly follow that a 9gs is going to win them the most games, then your walking a significant percentage of the semi-active D.IV and D.V teams into more lost games than they would have with less than optimum GS. Go tell teams with one 50k player that they can barely afford how to better run their team, and then my point is poisonous.

I don't really feel the need to defend one sentence taken out of a paragraph from my first post in here over and over again. I said that it would be smart to get into good tendencies, or something quite similar to that.

Last edited by FuriousSK at 10/7/2012 2:26:32 PM