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Hey,
It's a terrible idea.Period

Greetings,Steve Karenn

I dont think so. We are facing the problem that there is too much money in the game, free agents are reducing the value of training and getting rid of the cup money could in my opinion help a lot to solve those issues.

That's nonsense.The value of training is reduced because there are TOO LITTLE money in the game.
It's not convenient to train young players to their best with the purpose of selling them at high price,because very few team have the money to buy and mostly sustain those players with huge salary
And this is due to the lack of money,not to abundance of money
Take out the cup bonus means put a lot of teams in serious trouble,thus further reducing the number of teams that can be active on the market

Again,your idea is terrible

Free Agents drain money from the economy (sale price + higher salaries), and tbh I think if we get rid of cup bonus AND free agents the total amount of money in the game will rise again. That was my basic idea, so dont just take one part of it and bitch about it.

Free Agents drain money from the economy (sale price + higher salaries), and tbh I think if we get rid of cup bonus AND free agents the total amount of money in the game will rise again. That was my basic idea, so dont just take one part of it and bitch about it.

In your previous post you claimed that there are too much money in the game,and then to please me you try to prospect a scenario where the overall amount of money would rise again,but this would contradict with your idea

I dont think so. We are facing the problem that there is too much money in the game,

Make peace with your own ideas,bro

You have the incomes of a top II division team and the expenses of a III division team,so you think that the majority of the teams in the BB world navigate in the gold but spend those money in FA market
This idea is wrong.If you think there are too much money in the game,suggests to BBs to cut your TV contract down to way below 100k/week(towards 80-90 k from the 140-150k that you should actually earn),that is what teams earn in leagues with a comparable competitivity,and then I'll wait to see if you will start another thread claiming that there are too much money in the game



Last edited by Steve Karenn at 6/21/2013 6:46:19 AM

You are right, I made an unclear statement. I'll try again. What I really want is to get rid of the free agents. Here is the whole story, how this could work (in my mind):

When free agents were introduced this was made to reduce the amount of money in the game, to dampen inflation.

Now we see the same number or even more free agents flooding the market, because more and more teams are quitting (=more players from bot teams meet the criteria) - so I suspect we see a decline in total money circulating, because the remaining teams buy those players for cheap.

As a result of that we have users complaining that training players is useless, because you will find a better player for cheap on the market anyway.

To make training more valuable again we could get rid of the free agents. Here comes my wild guess: I assume that getting rid of free agents would dramatically increase the amount of money circulating in the game. To compensate that we could get rid of the cup bonuses, which would reduce annual incomes by more than a billion each year. Again I dont know if the amount leaving the economy due to free agents is anywhere near this number - just a wild guess.

To my situation: it does not have to bother you. I pay what I need to pay, I have no reserves at all and I still have a hard time to catch up, so ideally I should make more money to close the gap to DIV I. Don't even waste time to compare my country with Italy.

The fact is that you don't need cup bonuses in the early round to help build your future,so you would be really willing to sacrifice them to be able to eliminate free agents from the game
This vision of BB economy is very selfish.
BB economic problem is wider than FA market,it's the overall approach.
Old players of active teams are more convenient to acquire from an economical standpoint than young trainees,because the economic power of many teams is pretty reduced,and there isn't a normal economic chain.Lower division teams can't sell their top prospect for an adequate price to the top division teams,and so they doesn't have the economic power to buy the reserves of these teams or the middle of the pack trainees from other teams,but the only way to acquire good players is to go towards old and cheap players
Swapping cup bonuses for eliminaton of FA.you would cut even further the economic power of the team in the middle and low position in the economic chain,while allowing top teams to sell their top guys for an higher price(because of the lower number of FA that compete with your trainings),and keep buying for cheap price old players
This is related with the increase of tanking teams.In some countries to tank is the only way to make money
To make the economy work again,money needs to go towards the league that are more competitive,and thus have higher expenses,to allow these teams to make money while fielding a competitive team.Otherwise these teams have to tank,or spend their money to sustain their roster,and thus they don't have the money to put on the market

If you want to eliminate free agents,that's debatable and understendable.But cup bonuses are necessary for a great number of teams,and you can't even come close to think to touch them.



Last edited by Steve Karenn at 6/21/2013 9:00:16 AM

Hey!

As its not a suggestion yet, I wanted to start a discussion here. I was thinking about how to get rid of the free agents and came up with an idea to remove the bonus money for cup wins - on a global scale this would take out BILLIONS out of the economy, we could get rid of the free agents and maybe (?) raise the value of players on active teams.

As I don't know how much money is taken out of the game by selling free agents I cannot make a clear suggestion, maybe it would be enough to cut the bonus for early rounds? Anyone has some data on free agents sales?

The bolded part doesn't make any sense.
When people want to introduce changes, they should always think why the system works like that.
Cup prizes are there as a trade-off, so you either focus on league matches or cup matches. You can bet that if there was no prize I'd drop the cup at the first match (everyone would do that) since cup matches would be the same as scrimmages.
One of the things that work is the week set-up, don't even try touching it.

The bolded part doesn't make any sense.
When people want to introduce changes, they should always think why the system works like that.
Cup prizes are there as a trade-off, so you either focus on league matches or cup matches.

Its one more TIE per week. So there is still a bonus, plus it has a huge impact on your fan survey.

to much money in the market is a good thing.. this will create more quality teams. I dotn don't see how it hurts the game. because a lot of team don't have any money. Its really dead weight arugement.. there is no clear cut answer.

I rather there be some money in the market than no money which the case today for a lot of team.. player are too high, you going to need the money.

its train or spend to aquire.. these two option don't hurt anything.

The bolded part doesn't make any sense.
When people want to introduce changes, they should always think why the system works like that.
Cup prizes are there as a trade-off, so you either focus on league matches or cup matches.

Its one more TIE per week. So there is still a bonus, plus it has a huge impact on your fan survey.

A cup with no money prizes advantages still more top division teams,that can put more peacefully their reserves in the cup,than the lower division teams,that would not have the money,and to advance in the cup would still need to sacrifice their starters in the RS games,and this would balance with cup impact on fan survey

You are going noway trying to defend your idea.Cup prizes are needed,if you want to eliminate FA just stop triyng to swapping cap prizes for them

I didn't say it made the players skill any better. I was saying it creates more money for lesser teams when they bring a quality player to the market from training.

The prices are already high due to user demands. Its a bidding system of user demands. Yes there is over pricing for under skilled players. But this fall on the system in place and user demand rather than too much money on the market and inflation out right. Also time of the gme maybe 18 seasons ago you could get hi skilled player for 200 thousand , now he is going for 20million in today market.

Nothing we can do about inflation in a bidding system as such other than look for quality. Even then your going to be having to pay a lot cash for it. Like I said it no easy answer.. I think as long as teams are spending on the market and newer manager can bring quality youth for major profit its ok. When teams stop spending on the market then there is a huge problem.



Last edited by Mr. Glass at 6/21/2013 9:20:09 PM