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37984.4 in reply to 37984.3
Date: 7/4/2008 3:12:25 AM
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i dont want to be the one responsible for making the ultimate decision... i guess a lot depends on your opponent and whether you need the form to beat him... i trained form to learn how it worked - youhave 3 proficients already and the minutes on the main guys shouldnt go down so you may get a couple of respectables to strongs....

all i will say is that when i did it i was happy with the results..... can you afford to give up 1 week of training?

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37984.6 in reply to 37984.3
Date: 7/4/2008 5:29:51 AM
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Before FORM training

José Luis Muñoz 80 80 respectable
Henryk Kicinski 78 64 14 respectable
Pete Truong 72 72 respectable
Jonas Accioly 72 72 strong
Philipe Verbeke 71 22 49 proficient
Yiorgos Magkas 64 6 58 respectable
Tomass Reimanis 64 64 proficient
Sjoerd Hoving 47 47 proficient
Erwin Andrada 47 47 strong
Aniello Lugaresi 46 11 35 strong
Javier Tudo 35 1 34 strong
Julen Cobo del Rosal 32 30 2 average
Pedro Horcasitas 12 12 average


AFTER FORM TRAINING :


José Luis Muñoz 80 80 respectable
Henryk Kicinski 78 64 14 strong
Pete Truong 72 72 proficient
Jonas Accioly 72 72 strong
Philipe Verbeke 71 22 49 proficient
Yiorgos Magkas 64 6 58 proficient
Tomass Reimanis 64 64 proficient
Erwin Andrada 47 47 strong
Sjoerd Hoving 47 47 proficient
Aniello Lugaresi 46 11 35 proficient
Javier Tudo 35 1 34 proficient
Julen Cobo del Rosal 32 30 2 respectable
Pedro Horcasitas 12 12 average

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37984.7 in reply to 37984.6
Date: 7/4/2008 5:37:29 AM
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So, as I can see training form is a waste of time, because those variations in grades are like normal game-to-game variations, with maybe some slight benefits but, in my opinion, to small to count.

But there is something else I wanted to ask, does anyone have or had player with form higher than proficient, or for that you really need to train form?

It is not so important how high can someone jump, more important is who is the last one standing
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37984.8 in reply to 37984.7
Date: 7/4/2008 6:00:43 AM
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So, as I can see training form is a waste of time, because those variations in grades are like normal game-to-game variations, with maybe some slight benefits but, in my opinion, to small to count.

But there is something else I wanted to ask, does anyone have or had player with form higher than proficient, or for that you really need to train form?


It's not a waste of time. Some players might have dropped from strong to proficient or from strong to respectable or w/e when he didn't train game shape. But now they are still proficient or strong, you don't know what their forms would have been without that game shape training.
Proficient is the maximum game shape.

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37984.9 in reply to 37984.8
Date: 7/4/2008 8:39:51 AM
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But players are going up and down from strong to proficient, even respectable, through out the week, so I think that training form, if it is a benefit, is a benefit only for next week, or even until the next game after training update. It would be good if Vycka would specify the form of his players at daily update after first game.

Proficient is the maximum game shape.


That I really didn't know, thanks!

It is not so important how high can someone jump, more important is who is the last one standing
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37984.10 in reply to 37984.9
Date: 7/4/2008 8:55:23 AM
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It's a little late now, but if I had players in that kind of shape, I wouldn't train game shape. their shape is good enough. If you do want to sacrifice a training for the cup game it would be much more interesting to look where your team needs improvement (example : inside defense) and then train players in that.
It would be much more wrth than keeping the form level, or raising it slightly...

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37984.11 in reply to 37984.10
Date: 7/4/2008 10:09:21 AM
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Watch at my last Cup game, I play Crunch he play normal, My players and raitings was better in one level, but we have same reboudounds, and I think that was because my best PF/C has respactable form, and his pf/c has strong/proficient, so now I think my team have biggest chances then before training, one or two players increase in outside def don't give me so much, like increasing form of my best players ;)

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37984.12 in reply to 37984.9
Date: 7/4/2008 10:48:53 AM
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But players are going up and down from strong to proficient, even respectable, through out the week, so I think that training form, if it is a benefit, is a benefit only for next week, or even until the next game after training update. It would be good if Vycka would specify the form of his players at daily update after first game.


The game shape only changes at the training update, not at daily updates.

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37984.13 in reply to 37984.8
Date: 7/4/2008 1:04:21 PM
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I tried training Form the week of playoffs last season and saw no help

Before
5 strong
5 proficient
2 respectable

After
6 strong
4 proficient
2 respectable

Minutes and game shape for all players were similar to what they had been all season so I have reason to believe that the game shape spread would have been the same if I trained something else. Was very disappointed. Wasted a week of training. Of course, I was expecting some prominent game shapes but I guess that doesn't happen.

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37984.14 in reply to 37984.13
Date: 7/4/2008 1:20:24 PM
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Minutes and game shape for all players were similar to what they had been all season so I have reason to believe that the game shape spread would have been the same if I trained something else


I wouldn't train game shape when 5/6th of my selection are in strong or better game shape, since proficient is the maximum. But ok that's another point.

When somebody trains gameshape while the whole selection is in proficient shape, then you won't see any improvements as well. The maximum simply is the maximum.
The problem with this trainingmethod is that you just don't know what their form would have been when you hadn't trained it. Maybe you would have had 4 respectables, 2 average, 5 strongs and 1 proficient.

I've trained game shape 1 time, when my minutes were wasted, some players had 100+ minutes, others didn't reach 20 minutes. I expected a lot of form drops, but I trained game shape and only 2 dropped in sublevel, all of the others remained about the same or even better.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 7/4/2008 1:20:39 PM

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