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This is the best explanation for arena sizing and pricing I have seen.

Thank you.

hm. I tend to disagree. Not completely, but still.

I agree that you need to look out that you in fact have the money available to expand. If you desperatly need a better trainer, or a better player to be able to win, it's priority, since if you can't win, you loose spectators, and that means you loose money, probably much more then you loose by having higher tickets.

But I do not agree on keeping your money for other purposes until you are selling out on max ticketprices when your team is good enough and you have staff that is satisfying to you.

Expanding costs money, sure. But I think we agree that at some time you'll need to expand anyway. So what would be better then? spend the money now, and gain a little more money weekly, or spend it in 2 seasons, and have lost money 2 seasons weekly.

If you have your economics stabilised, it is very easy to calculate the amount of profit you make each week. If you take a part of it, or even the whole thing for a few weeks, you can easely expand your arena without your economy going down.
You remain in the same spot for a few weeks, yes, but afterwards you'll get more money comming in and after a while the investment will pay off.

So I say, by all means, if you don't need the money desperate for something else, expanding your arena is a very good investment!

You also don't need to do it in big chunks. Since we do not have a constructioncost here, you just pay for your seats, so if you build 5 or 100 it won't be more costly then when you build 2000 at a time.
Building for small amounts makes it so that you don't feel much of the money spent on it (at least I didn't and still don't feel it as hurtfull to my economy), while you still make progress in the incomming money...

in germany, most teams who invest a lot money iin their arena early get a faster team development then ther teams.

But germany is maybe the big arena country of BB ;)

Edit: And when you raise your prices instead of expanding you loose money, on long and middleterm.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 12/5/2008 1:10:12 PM

how much money did you earn with a succesful play, i earn around ~340k each home game without beeing that succesfull ...

And when i try to compete with the better teams with areana up to the double size of mine, i would be medium succesfull two season and then wuld go down.

Normally those teams with big arena promote, last seson was on with a 88k arena but this team plays pretty unsuccesful.

What impact is there when playing at home while your arena is expanding?

No impact. Until these seats are builed they don't exist and everything is like in any other game. The capacity is still the same.

well, I have my opinion, koz has his own.

Luckely for Koz B changed cup and B3 money last season, this benefits people with smaller arenas. Now only league games income is influenced by arena size and ticketprices... So the money-leak won't be as big anymore, but it is still a leak for sure. (turning down possible income is a leak imo)


to conclude the discussion I think we may summarise the following:

the question was: when should I expand. The answer is: when you decide it is time.
Some people find that it is time when you start selling out at maximum prices, others think you should expand when you sell out with a lot less then max ticketprices, but you can raise ticketprices as a temporary measurement somethimes when needed.
Every manager will have to decide for his own what practice fits him best.

Can we all agree on that?

Can we all agree on that? :)

Done. I think the discussion on this in another thread was one of the most interesting reads ever posted in the forums, and it's also one of those things that no-one is ever going to agree on. Viva la variedad!