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Also it allows more opportunities for offensive rebounds than the R&G tactics.

I assume this is based on personal observation, though I fail to see anything in the way those two tactics work that might explain such behavior.

Imagine the team shooting the first possible shot vs the team that passes the ball around first looking for a better quality shot. You should be able to say that the second team should have their players at their assigned position. IE, centers and PF near the basket to get the rebounds. This can also be explained with the shot clock/quickshots. R&G usually takes faster shots making it harder for players to be at their position. Sometimes they even take shots within 10 seconds.... not nearly enough to position those rebounders well. Motion on the other hand usually take less rushed shots than R&G do, which allows better quality shots and probably higher chance of offensive rebounds.

Thanks for the input but from my games i don't see any difference between the two different offensive sets. I just don't see any difference in the BB world and i know from experience that there is a huge difference in real life.

Imagine the team shooting the first possible shot vs the team that passes the ball around first looking for a better quality shot. You should be able to say that the second team should have their players at their assigned position. IE, centers and PF near the basket to get the rebounds. This can also be explained with the shot clock/quickshots. R&G usually takes faster shots making it harder for players to be at their position. Sometimes they even take shots within 10 seconds.... not nearly enough to position those rebounders well. Motion on the other hand usually take less rushed shots than R&G do, which allows better quality shots and probably higher chance of offensive rebounds.

I mean in terms of BB game mechanics, not in terms of how the two tactics might operate on a real basketball court.

I am not sure either of the considerations you mentioned are built into the game engine, but of course we'd never know for sure.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 6/17/2009 11:12:34 AM

There is definately a huge difference in real life, but i'm not sure if it is comparable to the BB's take on these two tactics, unfortunately. :/

But that's what i keep in mind when choosing between motion and R&G. And i frequently BB-mail with some top team managers who agree to some extend :). It's just an assumption of mine and should be considered as one :)

I would say that I'm not really sure if we can now have a good conversation about tactics in general.

We know that there will be changes in the GE related to passing, rebounds and shotblocks. Also, changes in zone defenses, but as far as i Know this is not a GE but a games dispayers change, because, help defenders have always been there.

Recently, BB-Charles had said that those changes are part of a mayor pack of changes, wich may include or may not include fundamental aspects of tactics.

For example, if passing is going to be more effective, then the pace of a tactic will be more importante and, maybe, just maybe, this new effectiveness in passing would allow us to see with more detailed the subtles differences -if any- between tacticas like motion against a Run and Gun. Because, I assume, high quality shots will happen more frequently in different areas with different positions for different tactics, even if both of them are outside oriented.

If that is the case then the rules need to be changed. What if you have great shooters but poor range then what offense do you choose. If you have great 1 on 1 players then what do you choose. I understood by the rules and from what i know about RL basketball that you would see more 18 footers than 3's. Plus motion is usually spread out fairly well which helps out with a player who knows how to drive.

First i dont know what a BO is and secondaly the wording of the rules is misleading.

Motion: outside/mid range jump shot focus, normal pace

Outside shooting to me at least does not equal every third or fourth shot to be a three. Mid range shots are from 7/8 feet till 26/17. Outside shooting should be from 17 feet and further. My shot chart does not look like that and i don't find much of a difference in shot selection from motion to run & gun.

Run and Gun: outside focus, increased pace.

So in my opinion the wording should be changed or the GE needs to recognize the differences between them.