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From: Lemonshine

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Well then. Can investing in players be more profitable than expanding the arena?

From: Phyr

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I don't understand why they have to be separated. Anyone who is arena building should be training as well (I think everyone should be training all the time period unless you need to GS train your way to a title or B3). Your arena building period is the best time to train because match outcomes matter less, so you can play weaker trainees in league game and out of position in lower division very easily.

From: Lemonshine

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Date: 9/12/2015 3:39:25 PM
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Your analysis is also colored from your experience in the English leagues. You guys about 200 active teams in England where the USA has nearly 1400.

By this brilliant thinking:
a) Italian managers should have the most authority and the most difficult leagues overall
b) All your arguments about large arenas only apply to 5% of American managers
c) Poland and Serbia and Canada winning all those BBB titles while the mighty US and Italy have zero sure is some kind of miracle
d) last time I argued about the length it takes to build the arena, I had to agree with hrudey that the majority of NBBA teams didn't have, in fact, 20k arenas
e) in fact NBBA is so tough and impossible to win with such a big competitive disadvantage that just last season it was won by Golden Horde who had slightly less than 18k seats if I remember correctly. That hasn't happened in England since I started playing this game.

you are putting yourself at a competitive disadvantage that most team won't survive.
And some other teams won't bat an eyelid. True it looks like "only" twice every 6 seasons you have teams with small-ish arenas (certainly lower or much lower than 20k) winning the top league in that great 1400 team country of yours...I'm sorry, I will have to believe you now.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/12/2015 3:44:10 PM

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Date: 9/12/2015 3:40:56 PM
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I agree.
I can't think of a season where I wasn't training anyone.
I've also always invested in my arena heavily every season until S31, as I needed to start socking away some funds to replace some aging players.

Looking back, I wish I would have not fielded as good of a team when I demoted from DIV to DV at the end of my first partial season. I ended up in a bot league and crushed everyone by huge scores. I could have instead only had a couple good players (relative to DV) and invested that salary money into my arena and still advanced back to DIV with no problem.

From: Lemonshine

To: Phyr
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Date: 9/12/2015 3:55:12 PM
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They have to be separated because people say you should build as a priority, which is the predominant opinion being tossed around lately. So clearly we're comparing options...

Here you have:
a) the fellas saying you should build as a priority (and only focus on the cash you make per week, with no regard for the value of players or the advantages of being in higher leagues)
b) the fellas saying you should adopt a more balanced approach

Most of your fellow Americans fall under a), except Mike Franks who is clearly b). I'm for b) too, both because I think there can be more profitable ways to invest money than adding seats and because it's better for young teams in order to learn the game to put a bit more money in their team (instead of the arena) while remaining healthily profitable.

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I averaged $251K my final season in DIII, and $235K in my second to last season there.
yeah I had already changed the post, but I still doubt you can make more than 250k without promotion bonus. I welcome anyone who can show otherwise. Trainerman made 230k in one game this season in D3 with a 16.5k arena, but he does have the promotion bonus (and a winning record).

I make 189k despite my prices were set for an expansion and have a puny 10k arena (without promotion bonus). My 1 million+ investment in trainees however...

I agree.
I can't think of a season where I wasn't training anyone.
Are you saying you did something unprofitable or buying those trainees, staff and training them was the smarter choice compared to using that money to expand the arena even further?

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/12/2015 4:16:20 PM

From: Phyr

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Date: 9/12/2015 4:37:32 PM
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This is my last post in this thread because you are getting a little dickish.

Competitive leagues make it hard to field a B3 contender because its easier to accumulate cash in less competitive leagues. All of those bullet points are great because ignores the fact we are talking theoretical. It's nice that golden horde won with that arena but he could have fielded a better team and earned more money if he had a 20k arena. If you look at the top b3 teams most of them have 20k+ arenas. The only thing you sacrifice with arena building is the time/money it takes to build your arena while the benefits IMHO are worth it.

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Date: 9/12/2015 5:30:23 PM
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Actually means exactly that. 


So maximising your investment for you guys means spending every penny on the arena. 


No it doesn't. Priority doesn't mean 100% investment. That's your misconception, not mine.

Ihave a question for you people who can't think beyond the cash coming in every week: would you rather have a team worth 7-8 million more (i.e. by selling all players you will make 7-8 million more) or 6k extra seats (even if they weren't mostly bleachers)?


If a team worth 7-8 million will guarantee promotion, and I have enough seats to not spend my money trying to catch up to the arena sizes at the next level, I would go for the 7-8 million team.

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Date: 9/12/2015 5:41:27 PM
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Remove Poland then and insert Iran, Japan, Moldova, Slovakia. The point will still stand.

Italy also won, so I should probably replace them with France :D

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Date: 9/12/2015 5:51:17 PM
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I averaged $251K my final season in DIII, and $235K in my second to last season there.
yeah I had already changed the post, but I still doubt you can make more than 250k without promotion bonus. I welcome anyone who can show otherwise. Trainerman made 230k in one game this season in D3 with a 16.5k arena, but he does have the promotion bonus (and a winning record).



That was the season before I promoted to DII, so there was no promotion bonus.
Actually, when I promoted, my arena was much smaller, so I was only bringing in about $175K/game.
It is very possible to average over $250K/game in DIII without promotion bonus.
I know this because I did.

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