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OK so I don't know how to play the game. Is that what you wanted to see? Can you just lay it off? It becomes an observation for you as it seems. You have about 6 Israeli saying one thing and a guy from the us who agrees and a french guy who gives you solid evidences for high salary 22 yo players being sold for 1.8m+ and even 3m+ and you keep repeating the same nonsense with 0 proof so I see it's not worth keeping this endless pointless discussion

If you think I have no idea what I'm doing that's fine but saying Alon, I and several more people in my community are lying to new managers is just rude and childish from you because it's just not right as you've been told several times already

And please for the love of god if you wanna keep saying the same stuff again don't, just leave it as is

Thanks

Last edited by The Yoav at 5/17/2019 9:18:46 AM

players being sold for 1.8m+

You said 3m+. Repeatedly. To which I replied I don't believe that's market price, as the examples clearly show. In fact you guys insisted that 3.6m is a fair price because the 22yo NT player for Macau sold for that much some seasons ago.

Do you agree that on average you will get around 2m (if you can sell the player that is, because yesterday none of the 120k+ salary 22yo sold for that amount).

even 3m+

that specific one was not trained only in primaries, check his history. If he has decent to good HA/DR then he will have higher TSP than primary-only players. I can agree these players may sell for around 2m (although yesterday none of them did). My point is just that 2m may not even cover the cost of training those players in their 21yo season, as we have already clarified.

I and several more people in my community are lying to new managers is just rude

It's not rude, it the truth. You are deceiving new managers and you are making them pay salary to either get a subpar player (lower secondaries that they could have) or pay a lot more salary than they should.

And please for the god if you wanna keep saying the same stuff again don't, just leave it as is

If you admit that training a player to 100k in 3 seasons is a bad idea and hurts the manager financially and strategically and will make him want to quit when he realises he has been duped then yes, I will leave it.

The reality is that you fellas sound like fraudsters, using unsuspecting new managers' to train players for your U21. They think it's good for them for progressing and improving in the game when it is the opposite and the most laughable claim is that THIS actually helps user retention! What happens when these users realise what happened? What happens when they can't improve their team because you actually hamstrung them with high salary players that they have to sell at a financial loss?

Just tell them the truth. Tell them you are asking them to sacrifice themselves for the greater good. The greater good being the interest of you lot to compete in the U21 against much larger nations for your own personal gratification. Then I will drop it. It's up to you.

I have no problem with training monoskilled players per se. I have 2 issues with these folks:
1. This is not the best way financially or strategically to train a player and they insist it is good for new managers.
Primary-only training does not benefit the training team the most. This is why 'farms' do this, these teams are willingly taking a hit for the community, they are teams sacrificing and not competing.
It would be ok if a manager is told: you can train these player(s) for the U21 and we collectively can try to compete against large nations, but it will come at a cost for you, a cost in $$$ paid weekly, a cost for you not being able to afford other players who may allow you to climb the ladder and a cost for you for getting a worse final product than this player could be.
However, the reverse is happening here: they sell this saying it's convenient and efficient for new users and it helps them grow.
2. Even if you go the monoskilled way these are high potential players (MVP or HoF otherwise they will likely cap). It's not a problem if you assign some of these players for the U21 if you are Italy, Spain and the US or China. Lots of managers and lots of high potential trainees. 200 users nations may want build for the NT instead and that kind of training does align with the individual trainer interest and progression.

Let's have an example. This guy is currently on the market
Weekly salary: $ 3,667
Skills: 2/2/4 1/4/7 7/6/6/7 18yo 7'0“ 10 potential

This guy can become a 135-136 TSP player, 19/18/15/11 inside skills with 12 OD, 12 PA and close to 19 ID by the end of his 28yo season (assuming at least a 5 trainer and level 3 gym and assuming .5 sublevels). Would a 135-136 TSP player with 12 OD, 12 PA and those inside skills play for virtually every NT in BB? I thought so. He also would have 26k salary at 22yo whereas if you only train his inside skills he would have 150k. That's 120k salary gap at 22yo, a 90-100k salary gap at 23yo etc etc, until you catch up 3/4 season later: how much more does a monoskilled player cost in salary over his life, even including the extra trainer cost you need to add 90 skills instead of 60?

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/16/2019 9:10:16 AM

(8170434) 584k

(4845180) 616k

(4752399) 649k (this may be the highest ever)

(16739976) 211k at U21


The old thread had 760 comments and some are just links to players...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/16/2019 3:23:02 PM

btw the thread was about u21 players