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From: john otters

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301182.40 in reply to 301182.39
Date: 9/7/2019 9:37:49 PM
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I can't afford it right now, but it would be nice to acquire such thing in the future.

I think buying bigs is a huge issue with the penalty on buying players not trained buy your staff or recruited . seems impossible almost to get better as I have bought bigs and trained my guards. A lot of investments to make with the money so tight to spread around. I won't win anything my league. all thr team have real strong players. Not as fun losing every game after you spent millions and 3 real life years..

Outside team seems to be impossible with cost or time input. 5-7 years in my best guess. Doesnt seem worth it lmao. But with training it maybe a way to do it sooner with a few tricks I guess.. I read old posts and there was a managers who claimed they knew about out side teams or had one . I'm train js/Jr and od till they hit 18+

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301182.46 in reply to 301182.27
Date: 9/13/2019 9:51:33 PM
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OUtside tactics and players require an overall team build of stats to make flow work.
That's unproven. I have seen no evidence that better flow = better outside shooting. The evidence is there for inside tactics but not for outside ones and that may actually be part of the problem.


My experience was that higher flow means more "uncontested" jump shots, which invariably ended up being lower percentage than contested ones. That was why a big part of my high JR / highish JS / SB everywhere experiment was keeping both PA and DR lower than usual - and I shot just fine from three even in the NBBA. The problem is that unless your opponents have extremely aggressive players (and top level teams rarely get there by neglecting such things), a 3-2 zone with top league players puts up such obnoxiously high od ratings with little effort that it's just too hard to get consistent enough scoring (since outside shooting is way more variance than inside shootings).

From: GM-hrudey

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301182.47 in reply to 301182.41
Date: 9/13/2019 10:05:56 PM
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What you can try is to play your guards in position 1-4, with the most inside defense oriented guard playing the 4 position. Usually i do this when i want to play Princeton. Seems to work but i like high tsp players so take my advise with a grain of salt. See if its good enough to beat inside based teams in div 3. At least you don't need to spend 5-6 seasons for an answer.
I can tell you with the utmost confidence that you still need at least 2 bigs even if your focus is outside. OD is king in this game but dont underestimate ID and SB and to some degree rebounding.


I did a bit of 1-3-1 with my guys the last couple of seasons in II and NBBA, where I'd just shift the guys who usually defended SG and SF (15 OD / ~13 ID / 15 SB) to SF and PF instead. They were not great rebounders, unfortunately, but it was good enoughd defensively to keep me close enough to occasionally win but more often end up scoring just enough to lose in the 80-70 range (where my usual 3-2 would probably lose 70-60 instead).

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301182.48 in reply to 301182.38
Date: 9/21/2019 8:29:47 AM
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The screenshots in the thread you linked about the analysis you did on B3 games are not available duo to company being shut down... Do you by any chance have these screenshots or the data of your analysis so I can check it?

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301182.49 in reply to 301182.34
Date: 9/21/2019 10:21:54 AM
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I am getting into the posts now. Looks like alot of managers are involved here on the subject of the game engine evolution. I hope eventually the BBs will adjust the engine so its not so predictable. I'm currently building up OD for my 3 outside trainees and a couple will be 17 plus on OD. Then as I continue training my potential SF more inside skills but still I need a solid big man to compete which is fine. I like training guards more than training bigs.

Last edited by TheRockGuy at 9/21/2019 11:59:57 AM

From: TheRockGuy

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Date: 9/22/2019 7:05:38 PM
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So I want to build a team starting with building Big men....The train OD on 3 outside guard to 18+ on OD and see how that goes

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