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ANOTHER attendance bug

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303538.40 in reply to 303538.1
Date: 3/28/2020 8:25:15 AM
Kitakyushu
ASL
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Here we go again. Every week the attendance bug gets worse and worse. Pretty soon it will be soooo big you won't be able to fix it. A new attendance algorithm is needed badly. It is really past the bug part. A third of this season is gone and you are still talking about fixing a bug from late last season.

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303538.41 in reply to 303538.39
Date: 3/30/2020 6:28:05 AM
TrenseRI
II.1
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Well couldn't you recalculate attendance just to compare it to the actual data? If for some teams there's a major difference between recalculated and original attendance revenue, for example more than $50k per game, then it shows there was probably a bug somewhere and even if you can't figure out the cause, at least you'll be able to reimburse the teams with lost revenue.

Can't do it. It's relying on many factors which have changed a lot since then and can't be properly recalculated for that point in time. Sadly, it looks like I'll just have to do a very basic recalculation that just gives everyone 10% more attendance (for example).

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303538.43 in reply to 303538.42
Date: 3/30/2020 11:48:05 AM
TrenseRI
II.1
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There is another option: I can calculate the average attendance up to that point of that season and set that as the attendance income. But it (the income) won't align with the arena sets sold...

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303538.44 in reply to 303538.41
Date: 3/30/2020 4:39:25 PM
Slug Bugs
Naismith
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Sadly, it looks like I'll just have to do a very basic recalculation that just gives everyone 10% more attendance (for example).


This doesn't sound like a good idea. Most teams aren't affected by this bug, so if you just give everyone more money, you're rewarding teams who aren't experiencing the bug.

In fact, in your example, it's even worse for the teams with the bug since 10% of their attendance will probably work out to a smaller amount.

Maybe if you can't recalculate all the past matches, just do a recalculation for more recent matches and compare to the actual data.

The teams that show a big discrepancy between numbers can be reimbursed, and maybe even have that 10% bonus applied to past attendance numbers that can't be reliably calculated anymore, while the other teams whose recalculated values are in line with actual numbers can be left alone, since they probably didn't have the bug.


Last edited by Slug at 3/30/2020 4:39:54 PM

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303538.48 in reply to 303538.46
Date: 3/31/2020 5:41:27 AM
Mağara Adamları BK
III.6
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Everyone is definitely a bad idea that only increase inflation..
I have a hypothesis that teams who had a league promotion bonus in tickets last season are more likely to have this bug.
I am not sure if this is true.


I was a newly promoted III. league team last year and I think I experienced this bug several times.
I am a newly promoted II. league team this year and I don't think I have experienced it. (Although I'm kinda disappointed about fans' price sensivity since we are back to back champions and the attendance never being bigger than 20500 for the last two seasons.)

At this point, I think we'll just have to let it go. Doesn't seem like there is a fair solution.

Last edited by Caveman at 3/31/2020 5:58:01 AM

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303538.50 in reply to 303538.45
Date: 3/31/2020 12:11:43 PM
Slug Bugs
Naismith
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Overall attendance averages haven't changed, but some teams are complaining about significantly reduced attendance. That doesn't sound like a bug that's affecting everyone.

The problem is the bug might still be ongoing. You might not be concerned if it isn't affecting you, but for teams who are continuing to lose $50k+/game, its not good, especially if it doesn't get better.

An approximate fix seems simple enough: recalculate recent attendance numbers and find teams who have a big gap between the new and old numbers. These teams can then get a reimbursement based on how much money they've lost.

Also, I don't think its a good idea to forget everything and just work on new features like an app, when the game has been hit by so many bugs recently. First priority should always be to make sure the product is working and stable.

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