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I simply answer you that in my opinion doesn't exist a player understimate but there are a lot of newbies that buy players at fool prices (going in bankrupcy after some weeks). The market could be in balance also if I buy for 1k and sell for 1k, is not important to receive 800k if I've to spend 900k the day after because there is inflaction due to the day traders. All your opinion is based that there are players understimates, but how you can say which is the real market value? I can only see people that trying to realise profit selling with more price; finally I say that all this money don't give me a benefit and you'll see that when the skills will become more important you'll never find a player because they will pick up all the best players.

A lot. In fact, it'll be your 1st born.

Seriously, this is from the News item:

8) We will institute an agent's commission on transfers, with the commission decreasing for players who have been with their current team for a longer time. The rate table will always be published, but will vary regularly, as it is one of the ways we will try to regulate the economy and prevent massive inflation or deflation.

-Daytraders do not have a monopoly on the transfer list, so they cannot constantly raise prices. All daytraders do is make sure that players do not sell for below their fair market value. A smart daytrader will stop bidding when s/he realizes that the player is at market value because there is no more money to be made off that player.

Not true. A smart trader stops before the player reaches market value, otherwise he runs a high risk to loose money on the trade.

All you say make sense and I fully agree on it.
But with the current situation day trading is much more profitable than a good training program and team scores (in terms of the more victories the higher income).
Chespirito got to the point with his post (in particular the second point).

Hopefully the new agent's commission will re-equilibrate the situation. Many players wouldn't like a game where the guy who spends the most time on the transfer market wins.

Edited by Newton07 (12/12/2007 7:21:54 PM CET)

Last edited by Newton07 at 12/12/2007 7:21:54 PM

Sorry but if the prices of players are rising, this is not iflation? And who is that tries to make biz offering for players? The day trader so they make some contribute to the inflation, imho ;)
You've reason for the third point but a smart day trader is "acceptable", I totally disagree with people that makes a lot of, at this point I can say, "exchanges". Anyway consider that they've also a team and when they decide to change their best player they can do that without problem, today I've seen offers from day trader for more than 500k/player, it means that they don't limit the range at very poor players but they are raising the target, simply because they've more money to spend (or waste). Last, if you have 1000 day trader, be sure they will monopolize the market, for this reason it should be good to stop the bleeding until we are in time. This is my personal opinion of course but believe me in Italy (and as far as I can see not only in Italy) nobodyy except traders is happy to make bids against "big traders" ;)

because this is not an "economic game" where wins who is able to realize more profit

Sorry but that is not true! The hole Game based upon on money, money for trainer player, stadium... It is not a game which is like a Playstation where you play with an joystick! Without economy the game does not work - my opinion!

I agree with you completely on the first two points, and partially on the third.

But I completely disagree with you here: All daytraders do is make sure that players do not sell for below their fair market value.

This point directly contradicts what you said here: No one person can say what the real market value of a player is

Essentially you are arguing that daytraders are the referees of the transfer market. It is, according to you, up to the daytraders to decide what constitutes fair market value. Not those people who would like to buy a player to improve their squad: it is up to those people with the most economic clout.

Lets say that there is a player on the TL. Two managers are looking at his player page: one is a new manager, in a low division, seeking a trainee. The other is a daytrader, an established club in a higher division, who sees this player as being 'undervalued'. You are arguing that the daytrader, who will almost certainly outbid the other manager, should be entitled do do so because he is rich and wants to become richer, unless the new manager is willing to overpay for the player.

Your words: A smart daytrader will stop bidding when s/he realizes that the player is at market value because there is no more money to be made off that player.

A daytrader will only not bid on a player if they cannot financially profit from the player. Never mind what the vast majority of non-daytraders feel, it's more important to protect the interests of a few selfish individuals who just want to make a bit of money without effort.

This game has an in-built economy, but it is not an economic simulator. It is a basketball game, and should be played as one.

because this is not an "economic game" where wins who is able to realize more profit

Sorry but that is not true! The hole Game based upon on money, money for trainer player, stadium... It is not a game which is like a Playstation where you play with an joystick! Without economy the game does not work - my opinion!

It is true that the game does not work without the economy, but that does not mean that the game should be about economics.

As an example a Ford Mustang has four wheels, but still it isn't a wheel, it is a car. So even though the wheels are needed to make the car work the car isn't a wheel nor should it be only about wheels.

I agree with you completely on the first two points, and partially on the third.

But I completely disagree with you here: All daytraders do is make sure that players do not sell for below their fair market value.

This point directly contradicts what you said here: No one person can say what the real market value of a player is

Essentially you are arguing that daytraders are the referees of the transfer market. It is, according to you, up to the daytraders to decide what constitutes fair market value. Not those people who would like to buy a player to improve their squad: it is up to those people with the most economic clout.

Lets say that there is a player on the TL. Two managers are looking at his player page: one is a new manager, in a low division, seeking a trainee. The other is a daytrader, an established club in a higher division, who sees this player as being 'undervalued'. You are arguing that the daytrader, who will almost certainly outbid the other manager, should be entitled do do so because he is rich and wants to become richer, unless the new manager is willing to overpay for the player.

Your words: A smart daytrader will stop bidding when s/he realizes that the player is at market value because there is no more money to be made off that player.

A daytrader will only not bid on a player if they cannot financially profit from the player. Never mind what the vast majority of non-daytraders feel, it's more important to protect the interests of a few selfish individuals who just want to make a bit of money without effort.

This game has an in-built economy, but it is not an economic simulator. It is a basketball game, and should be played as one.

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