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From: malice

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Date: 12/6/2012 4:27:44 PM
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We had, all in our way, come to understand and work along with Shogun as well...As a former U21 coach I know all too well how Shogun bandstands his players and he can go to the extreme, but we all work pretty well wtih him I think.

We should consider that Shogun is a relatively successful manager for the age of his team. Can you name anyone who has won a cup with a team as Japanese as his? If he is so wrong about his players, then why did he smack everyone up so bad with them last season hmmm????

I don't even agree with his evaluations half the time but you got to give him some credit. Japanese players are overpriced and limited in selection, yet he picked (and trained) a winning squad. That says A LOT.

I think arguing and bandstandings in the forums is one thing, but when a guy WINS with his crew, that is worth a million words. Proof is in the pudding, Shogun deserves some credit and consideration, its not all hot air.

I don't think you have the right to point at Shogun for "bandstanding". He's no worse than you.

And I consider him to be an EXTREMELY successful manager - no "relatively" about it! Matter of fact, in some ways I consider him to be more successful than you, or others - given how long he's been in the JBBL, and the fact that his team is made up of almost entirely Japanese players. I'm envious!
That said, I think he is far too focused on his players in the NT, rather than the NT itself. This isn't news to him (I've even discussed it with him via BBmail).

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Date: 12/6/2012 5:09:20 PM
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It looks like there are more pirates than only me ;-)
One of them bought this player: (27821776) and only goal was to retire him without playing even in single match ;-)
Great example of sportsmanship ;-)

From: B.B.King

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Date: 12/6/2012 5:33:09 PM
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Hell... if a motivated NT manager decided that we were going to go hell for leather on a 2-3 program and have s**tloads of SB (over ID perhaps?)? I'd go for that.

Uncommon tactic isn't answer for every problem (despite fact that I'm big fan of uncommon solutions). However in BB doesn't exist tactic which allow us to defeat opponents which have players with 3-4 times better salary and TSP better by 30-40 points.
Except of Furusawa our the best bigs have salary 107k, 98k, 91k, 89k and TSP between 80-89. Even two towers in Poland (who often are presented as monsters without secondaries) had TSP = 100 and 91 and it was 8 seasons ago, during these seasons average level of TSP in NT Poland increased by at least 20 points.
So first step should be try to train as many players as possible, no matter how. If we have more trained players then we can polish their skills up toward specific tactics.

From: malice

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Date: 12/6/2012 5:41:39 PM
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I agree that *different isn't always better*, but just trying to beat the bigger nations at their own game isn't necessarily the answer either.

Not quite what I meant with regards to which teams we should be beating.
I don't want to beat the huge, massive nations with "players with 3-4 times better salary and TSP better by 30-40 points." - I want to beat the teams the next level up from us, the teams of the slightly-smaller-than-middle-sized through to middle-sized nation.
Reality check for all of us: unless we land a pot of gold with regards to players/development/strategies, then we're not beating either.

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Date: 12/6/2012 7:09:37 PM
Kitakyushu
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BB King is our manager, live with it everyone. Trolling him is getting old already. In fact, this thread should have been closed right after that GM stepped in and told everyone to zip it.

From: malice

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Date: 12/6/2012 9:04:19 PM
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The guys that are training domestically are working with the very best that was available to them. K-Mat, Yasujiro, Asano, Motoori, whatever you think of where they are at, TRUST ME that is the best that was available for those guys to train. Kawagichi, again, the best that was available. We got people tanking every season in the JBBL to get the top pick while spending 40k a week...and then sometimes those teams go bot suddenly....what the legit JBBL teams can draft is rather limited. Very hard for us to land reasonable, trainable picks, we are doing the best with what is available to us....

I'm saying this because now is not the time to turnaround and start dissing everyone's build. You had your fun at me about my trainee but show some respect for everyone else.

Sec... where did he disrespect other players ('other' than yours)?

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Date: 12/7/2012 5:04:44 PM
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I would like to get to know Your opinions about big men.
I have skills of 5 big men from other NT:
http://bbtools.x10.mx/filespriv/5c.png
Please select 3 the best of these 5. Please assume that starter C and PF are selected and these 3 players will play as backup C, backup PF and reserve C/PF. Let's say GS, FT, ST and EXP is the same.
Please write only 3 letters, for example:
X, Y, Z
I want to hear as many answers as possible.

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Date: 12/7/2012 8:25:20 PM
Kitakyushu
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Please write only 3 letters, for example:
X, Y, Z

That is too easy....I will choose starters and back ups...

I would start:
C at PF
D at Center
Then I would have
B back up PF
E back up at Center
and I would have A
as a reserve for both

If player A had two more levels of ID he would be one of the 3.....or if player E had 2 more levels of OD he would be one of the 3....



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