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From: ned

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Date: 8/19/2010 3:37:21 PM
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edit ; can you explain me when you say "my cap is closer 500k"....???
Your incomes are 500k considering tv contract,palace and merchandising?

Yeah my income combined is can be close to 500k allowing me to have up to 500k player salaries if I wish.


I'm earning less than you... Even without considered the costs, to be in balance I can spend around 50k/week less than you. I've better players, the double capacity of the arena and my TV arena should be higher than you; we are playing in the same division, what's wrong?

Anyway the real pity is to not see any intervention of BBs (also throught GMs) when they see (they see?) a thread long hundreds posts. There are a lot of things to do, change the economy, change the team ratings, draft, random in the matches when you've to play always against a team that in the previous match faced a BOT and so on but the real problem in this game is the LACK of communication between the owners and the community

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Date: 8/19/2010 4:17:07 PM
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Ok, looks like i saw irony (or sarcasm) where there was no need to see it. If this is the case, my excuses to Knecht. Actually it's so hard for an Italian (or Spanish) to find simpathetic people on this thread that I let abitude overcome objectiveness.
I hope that he can understand my error.


I didn't feel offended, don't worry ;)

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From: Kukoc

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I'm sure BB's read this thread. I'm also sure they understand that the global market actually has no influence on how your team competes in your country.
I actually can not understand what exactly is the problem. Big country teams are operating near "salary cap" <- this is actually what this game is about. You need to use that cap, getting the most skills out of your players. For example if you make 10k profit per week (taking the whole season into account) and your next player upgrade will cost 100k (hypothetically ofcourse, just for lower numbers). You buy that player after 10 weeks and sell your previous starter or backup for let's say 50k. Now if a "small country" team raises the bar of that player cost to 200k. Thus it takes you 20 weeks for that income to get the upgrade, the player that you sell will also bring in more cash. So basically nothing else changes but the game speed for your country and the "small country" users just raise the market price a little.
The games goal eventually is to get every team near theyr salary cap, it makes no difference for any team in Italy how much a team makes in any other country, as Italy is a closed system and everyone in it has the same income situation. If a team in Italy II division makes about 20k weekly and Australia II division makes 200k, what does it mean?, it means Italys II div team is already a lot stronger that Australias team. Now if Aus team buys an upgrade, he is actually lowering his income -> getting closer to salary cap (which is the games purpose). If he can win at making 200k weekly, then he is not actually a threat to you, as if he is smart he will not look to upgrade his team (thus he does not buy any players from under anyones noses). Even if some of those teams take some of the wanted players from under your nose, eventually you gather enough money to buy an upgrade. Does it take more time? Yes! Does giving everyone in Italy more global market power make any difference in Italys powertree? No.
I see this thread is just full of frustration. Ofcourse playing in a country with 5000 users is harder than in a country with 40 users. Would I like to see Estonia grow to 5000 users? Hell Yes! Is it impossible to win in Italy? Hell No!

Last edited by Kukoc at 8/19/2010 4:26:22 PM

From: ned

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Date: 8/19/2010 4:34:27 PM
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I actually can not understand what exactly is the problem.


I've stop to read sorry
Go back and see my previous posts, no problem also from my side we are friendly discussing about some things regarding BB ;)

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From: Kukoc

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I've read all your posts, the only point you have made is - the game is slower for Italian managers. As everyone is in the same boat in Italy, there is actually nothing wrong. Italy is the best example, how this game should look like. A lot of teams operating near their salary caps. How many of them are actually paying smart dollars compared to player skills, remains to be determined.
I've stop to read sorry :)
It's obvious that you can't understand, if you do not read peoples posts.

Last edited by Kukoc at 8/19/2010 4:41:25 PM

From: ned

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Date: 8/19/2010 4:48:28 PM
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You don't understand where is the problem not me, that's the big difference, sorry again ;)

All written in your post is right for me, I agree, but after that there is the problem that you don't understand, try to go away and to understand what someone else wants to say. We are discussing about it since season 3 but if you don't get the point what I can do?

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From: Kukoc

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You are talking about your team earnings. You earn less than teams in other countrys at the same level. Actually your salary cap is higher than teams from smaller countrys (because of league quality). So you want a stronger team with the same net income as the weaker team? Isn't that absurd? Italy has a healthy competition, we can only wish other countrys were at the same level comparing league qualitys.
At the moment every team in every country has a chance to become the best team in BB (through BBB). If you raise the incomes in one country you actually imbalance the system (big countrys already have the tv income advantage and more national players to select from).
Can you understand that the only thing different between Italy and Japan is game speed (difficulty)? So do you want to play an easier game? Inserting more money into Italy to make them globally more competitive will not change the fact that the country has 5000 users. Difficulty level will still remain the same in Italy. The sooner you realize that the better.

Last edited by Kukoc at 8/20/2010 4:53:24 AM

From: ned

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Date: 8/19/2010 5:26:55 PM
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No kukoc, once again, I'm ok, I'm happy to play in a competitive country and I'm not asking more money for me.
From what concern you, try for a moment to imagine the NBA championship, cut the incomes at the same lvl of the Estonian championship, you will have the same situation that we have now on BB, it can be ok for some people for someone else not and I respect all the opinions, the sooner you understand how to speak with the people better you will stay in the life, you've already discussed with other guys here, probably you're not the Master, take a low profile please.

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From: Marot

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I'm sure BB's read this thread. I'm also sure they understand that the global market actually has no influence on how your team competes in your country.


(152075.260)

One of the best transfers i've seen recently. The spanish champion with this move, he knows he has one of the best teams in BB and this same season its really possible he can win the league-cup in a row. Of course, with this team(he has the SG-PG-SF of the spanish nt) im really sure he will win the ACBB for the next 3 seasons if nothing wrong happens, because there is a high difference.

Tell to the spanish div 1 managers that the TL has no influence when they compete against River Legends, he had the luck to benefit from the global market in a spectacular way and he also had the luck a manager from Denmark paid the holy for Daugotas Gincbergas(4748745).





Last edited by Marot at 8/19/2010 5:46:10 PM

From: Kukoc

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No kukoc, once again, I'm ok, I'm happy to play in a competitive country and I'm not asking more money for me.
But you are asking for more money. This sentence says it all
try for a moment to imagine the NBA championship, cut the incomes at the same lvl of the Estonian championship

So you are asking for big userbase countrys to dominate. Their income is already higher compared to smaller countrys if their divI is the strongest (which actually was Germany if I remember correctly, so they have the best 16 users atm). This is still online game. Thus some things you can bring into the game and some you can't. Giving income advantage to a big country also means, that if that country wants, they can create a NT that can not be beat aswell. As their teams have the highest salary caps.
the sooner you understand how to speak with the people better you will stay in the life, you've already discussed with other guys here, probably you're not the Master, take a low profile please.
What exactly are you trying to say here? I will live a better life if I am nicer:) I actually am Master of the Universe and I will write in the forums when I feel like it. It's hardly within your power to stop me from posting.

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