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Let's do the math,
5X25k=125k
few seasons.... (lets say 3)
lets say you pay 10k a week for that trainer (generous, you prolly still pay around 15k all told)
10kX14X3= 420k

You can quantify the cost of losing more games, because 5 30+ yearold players bought for 25k have waaay more skills plus experience, you can also STILL TRAIN their FT and ST for free which comes with pops now and trains ALL your players, not to mention you can train GS which will allow you to keep a smaller roster and perform better at eveyr position, not just improve 5 players.
I'll be generous and not make you pay for lowered performance in this caluclation.

That is awful generous of you. I am curious how many fewer losses you think I would be capable of having with your strategy; if it turns out I could be 19 - (-4) right now, for example, I'll kick myself for being such a fool.

Now lets look at pops. With OD, level 4 trainer, not ideal height, guys that have holes to begin with, maybe not ideal height, two position (c'mjon you are claiming you can get this guys for 25k each).....
You are gonna get about 2~3 OD pops a season if you devote to OD training ONLY. Lets say you start at about 10 OD pops each. Oh wait, STAR potential???? Well they could have 16 OD and NOTHING else. hansome roleplayers that a top team might throw on his bench for emergencies/to fill out uncritical games against tanking opponents.

The 25k is more of an average. If you prefer, you could spend less initially, and then upgrade -- I had a guy I bought for 1k, trained for a season (and was a quite useful player in V), sold for 75k. Another was a FA buy in single digits and after about 2 months sold for just under 150k. But I also have a guy that I bought at 10k who is still on my club and plays regularly.

But, yeah, I imagine I've done a lot more shopping for star potential 18 yo guards in my time than you have. The really good ones of course will have a higher purchase point, but if you're willing to take on an inept here or there, it's quite reasonable, especially when you're more concerned with height and with getting good skills rather than the ultra-top-end ones.

Perhaps with the new rules though the amount of value you can get out of training stars will increase a bit, maybe they'll be worth a bit more than 10X salary, maybe. Consider if you trained 3 seasons you paid the salary 36 times...so I hope he contributed what his salary cost compared to a cheap 30y/o with experience. In that case training and daytrading, together, whilst building the arena and finding a way to promote is tops approach.

If you replace trainees with old players, you still have to pay the salary. And if you get higher skilled ones, as you seemed to advocate, you're just paying higher salaries each week. Oh, sure, maybe you then go with a few less players and save some of the difference there, but that's fraught with it's own troubles. Heck, just the difference in merchandise between my team and the league average just about covers the cost of the two most expensive trainees right now -- you can't say that when you're turning over players left and right, certainly.

The long and short of it (more long, obviously!) is that it is quite possible to build a team that focuses on training, even two position training, and that is successful and quite profitable at the lower levels of the USA. Perhaps higher up that strategy wouldn't work (and I'm already switching to one position now for the first time in my BB career), but in V and IV, in my experience, it's quite adequate indeed.

What I am suggesting to you though, which my friend never totally achieved, jsut partial, is that if you can find 18y/os that turnaround that well, you can find more well rounded older and middle aged guys.

Oh, yeah, I've had to do that at the other positions, but usually with the older guys. Except that instead of flipping, I generally am trying to find guys with specific skill profiles who are also American, and at a reasonable rate so I can continue putting most of my money into the arena.

As far as flipping youngsters quickly, one would assume that would actually work better by two position training, since the training is definitely more than 60% of single position, and it's much easier to guarantee 5 guys 48+ minutes than to get 3 guys 48+. I've just always looked at it as being cheaper to buy a guy and make him into the skill profile I want than it would be to find a guy who's already there and pay someone else a similar or even higher every week until that time comes. I suppose if I were one of those insane JS trainers, there's probably a glut of those guys that can be picked up cheaply enough to make it pointless. ;)

for everybody, this is not a "you play in X so you have no clue thread", so try to "win" the discussion with arguments.

Also i would appreciate, to bring your arguments with less aggresivity - yes i am looking at you Wolph.

On topic: Training is valuable, smart daytrading is also valuable but not fun for everybody. But even a daytrader could raise his income in train players.

Remeber that buzzerbeater is fun, not fight.

Thanks for this:

i would appreciate, to bring your arguments with less aggresivity

I remember a very strong chess world champion once said, to be able to play good chess, you have to be able to hate your opponent enough to kill him.

SB has very little impact on SF-potential. So why not giving it some boost? I don't really know, but I would guess it doesn't have a big impact on a SF-salary either. I'm planning to give my SF a 9 on SB.