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Alright, well there are 22 regular season games in the season, and two games are played per week (and a scrimmage/cup game of course). Basically that means that there are 11 weeks in the season, plus the playoffs and the first scrimmage of the season and that is about another two weeks I believe. So basically, that's 13 weeks a season and since he will be trained his 18, 19 and 20 year old season that's around 39 weeks of training (there's a little math for ya! :D ). Of course, there will be weeks where there is just no pop, and there will be weeks where you screw up and forget to set your scrimmage lineup so let's say that over those 3 seasons you will get 30 pops (in a a perfect world of course). Personally, I really like driving on my guards and would want to fix that up early probably with some 1v1 forwards training (so it would also pump up his IS a bit hopefully). After fixing that, if you were going for a PG type I think reaching these levels for guard skills would be achievable:

PG: 10/9/13/11/10/12

That's a total of 65 guard skill points, compared to the 36 this player started with. I believe that something like this is achievable if you have the right manager and a fairly good trainer. If you were going for more of an outside SG type though you might want to have something like this:

SG: 14/11/13/10/8/9

Still 65 skill points but much higher JS and JR. These are the two builds I think you could build out of this player, and obviously you can give or take a few pops here and there. I know we discussed this before on the offsite, but any PG on the team should preferably look something like this:

JS-8+
JR-8+
OD-12+
HA-10+
DR-10+
PA-12+

And any SG:

JS-14+
JR-10+
OD-12+
HA-8+
DR-8+
PA-8+

Obviously there are exceptions from season to season. These are just my thoughts on this topic, and another nice question ;)

Edit: @HoF - Elmacca: Sorry didn't see your question until after I posted this. Started typing, then I had to leave my computer for like 15 minutes and came back to it. According to buzzer manager though, if you trained a PG like I described above he would have a very manageable salary of 24k, and would 68-75% capped (meaning there would still be a lot of room during the course of his U21 season to fix any holes that remain). The SG on the other hand would have a salary of around 29k, and would be 72-78% capped. For most teams these salaries would be manageable, and there would still be a lot of room left to continue training.

Last edited by SREZ at 5/18/2012 5:48:05 PM

I love the starting skills , its a shame of poor inside shot but thats what happens , decent starting stamina and free throws so no need to waste two game weeks on training those. After one season i would envisage this player having had 4 pops in OD , giving him prolific OD , 2 pops in passing and 2 pops in driving as well as a pop in handling , this gives him 7/7/11/7/4/9 , for the guard skills and most likely a secondary pop in ID through 8 weeks or so of pressure training. Then im training him the next season in one on one at the forward positions for 8 weeks intensity. This probaly gives 4 pops each in driving and handling as well as a pop most likely two in jump shot. I then have 2 more weeks of passing , raising it to prominent and spend the rest of the season on pressure , raising this to tremendous. He now turns 20 with skills in the region close to 9/7/13/11/8/10 . Now i get passing to tremendous with 6 weeks of passing , another 4 weeks one on one for 2 pops each driving and handling and a pop in jump shot , and spend 3 weeks training jump range , raising this by a level.
This gives the player skills when he turns 21 of 11/8/13/13/10/13/2/5/7/1 . This is assuming no injuries of course and a high level trainer , and 48+ mins every week , its unlikely those conditions will be fulfilled though. The problem as others has stated is that this guys salary is very high compared to his starting salary and it may be an issue. In his next season , he can either be trained more in his main guard skills , or he can have some weaknesses fixed in his game , he can have a season of inside training , predominantly in inside shot , and maybe a pop in inside defence also taking IS to a hopefully mediocre and inside defence to average. This is what id do.

well ive managed to train Palit on a level 4 trainer and he's turned out pretty good

well ive managed to train Palit on a level 4 trainer and he's turned out pretty good

ive never got 16 pops in one season on an 18yo guard, but i guess it might be possible if you solidly train passing and one-on-one etc. I generally get 10 per season from 18 through to 22 but i do mix in a fair bit of OD earlier on and maybe some of the faster popping training later on...

thank you all for answering my earlier questions. very interesting insights!

Good question, I'm interested to hear the answers :)

I think what we'd like to see is our best five ball prospects (MVP+) prepared for the full NT from day one, and if they play for the U21s along the way, great. That leaves the four ball potential or less players (Superstar, Peren allstar, maybe even allstar in some positions) to be trained with only the U21s in mind - as they will then likely be sold at 22.

We want good communication with managers of these prospects, so they train the players well.

We want good communication with the community, so we know which players are coming through and become excited about seeing them play for the U21s.

Some success on the court would also be good, but not at the expense of player development.

Essentially it's about taking each draft group to U21 graduation and preparing the five ball potential players to be NT starters around the age of 24.

Eminence ticked all these boxes, and we'd hope to get someone just as good this time. Maybe even better, if we're lucky.