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From: redcped

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241797.41 in reply to 241797.36
Date: 5/28/2013 11:23:08 PM
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Yes. The 5 ball potential hall of famer with a 5k starting salary can be anywhere on the list. Same goes for the 2/2 scrub that no one wants. The grey balls mean nothing.


Thank you for the explanation. It amazes me how I've done anything well in this game at all not having information like that all this time. It had never occurred to me before that they would intentionally mislead you.

The draft/scouting page says: "Your scouts have provided a very rough estimate of the player's skills and potential based on the word on the streets. Expect this evaluation to be fairly inaccurate."

There's a big gap between fairly inaccurate and totally random, isn't there? At least fairly inaccurate suggests that there is some rhyme or reason, that if you have to start somewhere the guys at the top shouldn't be completely awful potentially.

Word on the street might overhype a guy, but it's pretty unlikely that it would call a guy with no skills or potential a 5-ball prospect at any point. I could understand if a guy initially shown as 5 might drop as low as 3 when scouted, and that there can be some surprises among the 1-ball guys. But it should have at least some accuracy, shouldn't it?

Now at least I understand why I have yet to draft a great prospect.

From: E.B.W.

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Date: 5/29/2013 12:21:14 AM
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I also wish there was a little bit more structure to it but at the same time it makes it easier to steal picks in the system that it is right now, so I'm okay with it.

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Date: 5/29/2013 12:47:22 PM
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totally random is too extreme as well. It's what people say on the forums because they feel that way but I haven't seen any good studies on it. The consensus though is that it is a really really poor estimate. I guess there's probably a .01-.10 correlation between the grey balls and eventual skills but that still means that you can't really rely on it.

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Date: 5/30/2013 1:26:23 AM
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I have a question on age vs potential. Looking on people's opinions on how they'd rank these players.

Player 1: 5/5...A+...PF...Upper 6'...Age 19
Player 2: 5/5...A.....PF...Mid 6'......Age 19
Player 3: 5/4...A.....SF...Low 6'.....Age 18

Heights are broken into ranges 6'- 6'4", 6'5"- 6'8", 6'9" -7'. Figured I'd be a little vague on the heights in case any league spies are around. :-)

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Date: 5/30/2013 1:39:22 AM
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5/5 A+ is amazing. It's just a shame that he is 19 even the third player is better than what most people can get in their drafts.

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Date: 6/5/2013 9:19:20 AM
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I also think that A/B/C are better than D/E/F. The latter 3 will either have star or all-star potential which makes having better starting skills pretty much pointless if they're going to cap out after 2-3 seasons.

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Date: 6/5/2013 9:22:23 AM
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I have a question on age vs potential. Looking on people's opinions on how they'd rank these players.

Player 1: 5/5...A+...PF...Upper 6'...Age 19
Player 2: 5/5...A.....PF...Mid 6'......Age 19
Player 3: 5/4...A.....SF...Low 6'.....Age 18

Heights are broken into ranges 6'- 6'4", 6'5"- 6'8", 6'9" -7'. Figured I'd be a little vague on the heights in case any league spies are around. :-)


Take the 18 year old and don't look back. Losing that 1 full year of training is a killer and the 18 year old will still have decent potential.

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Date: 6/5/2013 2:11:22 PM
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Well that doesnt actually matter unless he wants his player on the U21 team because he can easily make up those missed pops later since they have higher potential.

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Date: 6/5/2013 3:33:32 PM
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Well that doesnt actually matter unless he wants his player on the U21 team because he can easily make up those missed pops later since they have higher potential.


This is a truly awful train of thought. Sorry.

Anyone that doesn't think there's a significant difference between an 18 year old and 19 year old draftie hasn't thought this through properly.

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Date: 6/5/2013 3:59:46 PM
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I would go with player 1 myself.

Player 1 - Player 2 - Player 3. In that order.

Player 1 is awesome. First off he's a taller PF rather than center which means he has decent starting outside stats. With A+ stats, you make up a lot of ground that you miss since he can't be trained at 18. Overall, he could well be in the 5,000 range for salary which is HUGE for a 19 yr old. He could be an All Time Great. Or at worst an MVP. That far outweighs the 18 year old possible P-All Star. Overall, you will never have to worry about capping his stats for a long time with such great potential.

Player 2 is also awesome. He is still better than player 3. Having uncapped potential is extremely valuable especially as they player gets older (23-26).

Player 3 is pretty good. He'd make a great draft pick in any year.

Overall you have been amazingly lucky. My best draft pick using 10,000/week is a possible all-star B- 18 yo old

Last edited by lawrenman at 6/5/2013 4:01:58 PM

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