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Date: 12/25/2013 1:18:09 PM
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I absolutely hate losing and will do anything it takes to win. I trained a very good guard in Jonathan Yi that was a key contributed to Magiker's first season as U21 manager as well


He's contributed to a lot of fine seasons for me too. Can we get an assurance from you that you won't let our U21 players go to other countries and then come back and single-handedly torch us in a key game? ;)

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Date: 12/25/2013 1:52:46 PM
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If you have a dominant PG use it. It's the tactic that worked best with Reedy as my PG.

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Date: 12/25/2013 2:28:47 PM
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Interesting, I've noticed it's more dependent on how your bigs' secondaries are rather than a PG.

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Date: 12/25/2013 2:32:33 PM
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My bigs do have awesome secondaries, so you are perhaps right, but I believe I led II.3 in 3p%, and I had no shooters at all on my roster, and the only logical explanation for me is that Reedy thrived in the slow pace and set everyone up.

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Date: 12/25/2013 6:53:04 PM
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I think the U21 manager biggest job is going to be to help rebuild the USA offsite community. What do you plan to do to get people more involved on the offsite? Do you have any plans for the way that we scout and develop players?

From: E.B.W.

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Date: 12/25/2013 6:58:05 PM
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The way we scout and develop players is usually pretty solid. It is just a matter of getting people involved on the offsite. The best way to do this I believe is to post in all the league forums like we did awhile back and the active managers in their current leagues will natural drift towards the offsite and probably want to get more involved.

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From: Jelme

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Date: 12/25/2013 7:34:35 PM
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How about an incentive for joining the offsite? Like some Ke$ha stuff. I'll do all the tactics work for you if you send me Ke$ha stuff.

From: oriolekid

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Date: 12/25/2013 7:36:26 PM
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I don't think rebuild is the right word.

The scouting, and development part of the U21 is exceptional. we have an extensive player database with over 700 players, and a dedicated system of scouts/mentors that find the U21 caliber players and direct them to the database update, and give them some advice on what to do if they are serious about training that player. Something that has vastly improved since Jelme, and Jfarb.

There are a lot of training diaries too that help with that, but the gameplanning doesn't have as much discussion, and I, too, can be blamed for that, since I don't often pitch in.

I think the biggest problem is that often times a detailed training plan is not laid out for the serious 18 y/o prospects because it is never known three seasons in advanced how the team is shaping up, so the managers train their prospects in a "generic" way. By that I mean they don't build specialty players with their prospects, like true SF, true PF's, inside oriented guards, or defensive minded SF's. They go balanced, and salary efficient with their builds. Like 13/10/15/12/12/12 5/5/5 or 3/3/3/3/3/3 13/13/13/9. Eventually we end up with six of those players, and the U21 suffers because of the lack of diversity.

If we are ever to be a team that is a World contender every 2 years we need to identify our best prospects, and lay out a very detailed plan that builds a PG, SG, SF, PF, C, and five-seven complimentary players. As it stands now the U21 has been 4 PG's, a combo guard, one true SF, one outside oriented PF, and four centers. That's unacceptable, and is not our best team, even if it is the team with the most TSP.

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Date: 12/25/2013 7:38:19 PM
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Join the offsite and you get twenty minutes of work on paint with me building you an avatar and team banner.

If that doesn't get you on the offsite, that we don't want you on the offsite.

From: Isaiah

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Date: 12/25/2013 7:51:05 PM
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Just like Oriolekid said, "rebuild" shouldn't be the word. The problem we are having right now is that people are quitting which leads to the offsite getting less populated. If you look at it though, many of the managers that have been seriouse about the NT/U21 are still on the offsite.

One way to gain more excitement is by having exciting teams for American managers to enjoy. Just like real sports, when your team is losing you don't pay as much attention to them. We can gain excitement by allowing the managers to have the opportunity to build other player builds rather than the usual cookie cutter skill sets. More and more managers are wanting to create unique players to play on their club teams and we need to in fact incourage that. I got an email from a handful of managers this past season asking me about training for some very unique builds. I was not even part of the scouting team this past season, but yet I had managers contacting me because they knew my thoughts on unique builds due to my NT running last season. There are more managers than you can imagine that want to see those different builds because the U21/NT have become boring with the same LI players. This is how I will work to gain more excitement on the offsite by lettin everyone know that literally any skillset could make the team.

Also, I mentioned this on the offsite, but I feel we need to be even more personal on the offsite and really get to know each other. When managers create relationships with others it makes it easier to join the offsite and be involved. We shouldn't just be a username.

From: E.B.W.

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Date: 12/25/2013 8:24:45 PM
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Well I'm not so sure about your Ke$ha idea... but I think most D.IV managers who are to in a very active league forum would be willing to join simply by knowing that they will get to chat and get involved with more managers. Our offsite crew has a ton of fun conversations and it is much closer than the forums on here. I think that should attract managers.

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